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Lets just bring up an important one. The play off semi. 2 very good early chances at home. He doesn't take either.
Virtually the last kick at Craven Cottage he volleys wide.
We were hardly great but we played some decent stuff in that run to the play offs.
I think Frazier Campbell would have bagged 15-20 if wed had him all season when we won the league and I think he had a decent ratio when he arrived that season.Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Thirty one goals in fifty three games for a team that, clearly, is a lot better than us and yet City fans think he can’t playApart from Keiffer Moore for a season, Kenneth Zohore for a few months and Kenwyne Jones who had an okay scoring rate in his time here, Cardiff City has been a graveyard club for strikers since the days of Chopra and Bothroyd - could the way we have played for most of that time have something to do with it?
A striker that puts chances away, who needs that in their team?!
Kieffer Moore didn't have much trouble scoring when he played for the same Cardiff team as Robert Glatzel. Glatzel scores plenty of goals for Hamburg because Bundesliga 2 is a lower standard of football than the Championship. It's not that complicated.Thirty one goals in fifty three games for a team that, clearly, is a lot better than us and yet City fans think he can’t play
That being the case, how do you explain Tommy Doyle being unable to get a game for Hamburg but walking straight into a Championship side?
Perhaps it’s a little more complicated than you imagine.
Delusional is the word that springs to my mind.
I think Glatzel is playing against much worse defenders now than he did for Cardiff.
Fair enough. I’m not sure that’s correct and I’m 100% confident Max Watters wouldn’t score anywhere near as many goals in Bundesliga 2, but you may be onto something here. Perhaps City can try to sell Watters to a Bundesliga 2 side in the summer.
I always liked Glatzel, you could tell the fella had talent and he also seemed like a nice guy. It just didn’t work out for him here, it’s just one of those things I think. Also, maybe he didn’t settle into the British lifestyle? Sometimes these things affects a player’s performance.
You don’t score a hat trick against Bayern Munich if you’re rubbish.
Kieffer Moore has scored 4 goals this season. Robert Glatzel has scored 14. Who is the better striker?
You’re getting desperate now.
Now you’re being silly. But it’s interesting you’ve mentioned Moore. His stats during his second season here (before he went to Bournemouth) were almost identical to Glatzel’s first season in terms of goals per game.
You're the one who seems to think that the quality of the opposition is irrelevant when assessing the performance of a player.
I’ll concede that the Championship is probably a better league than Bundesliga 2, but to nowhere near the extent you clearly believe it is. However, it’s delusional to think that a poor Championship striker (as you believe Glatzel was) who scores around five goals a season would, first, go to a club like Hamburg (who I’m sure would see us off around six or seven times out of ten) and go straight into their first team and, second, then score goals for them at the rate Glatzel has done for more than a season and a half.
Incidentally, I notice you’ve ignored TLG’s very good point about Tommy Doyle barely getting a game for Hamburg in the months immediately before he came here to become an important regular starter in our side - that doesn’t tie in with your narrative does it.
By contrast, you seem to believe it’s the only factor worth considering, which seems a bit daft to me.
We had a much worse team in Moore's second season than in Glatzel's first season. How did their goals per game compare in the season that they both played for us?
Moore had practically downed tools at that point mind, he then scored 4 goals in 4 appearances for Bournemouth to clinch promotion. There's no way Glatzel would have scored 20 goals under Harris/McCarthy like Moore did
I think with Glatzel he is a talented player but there's no way we should have spent the amount of money we did on him, some players are just suited so certain clubs/divisions and Glatzel could be one of those.
Yeah, good point, but surely, whoever scouted him must have seen that glatzel wasn't at his best with his back to goal, he wasn't a physical player in terms of holding the ball up and pinning defenders, which is how we played, exclusively. He looked his best when he dropped off from the play, he was a second ball striker, he could never make the first contact. Yet we spent 6 million on him and seemingly ignored his strengths. I'm not attempting to re write history though, at times he looked poor and completely out of the game, he used to have to force aggression out of himself, and it made him look awkward. Poor bugger must have been exasperated by it all.
Moore‘s was very much better, obviously.
I don’t think so either. I think a comparison with Moore is a bit pointless to be honest.
You’re right, though. Moore was in significantly poorer form than he had been the previous season, and there were various reasons for that. It certainly wasn’t as simple as the strength of the opposition.
I don't think that, but I saw Glatzel play for us enough times to realise that he was never going to be a regular starter for a Championship team, so if he's scoring plenty of goals for Hamburg then there is a pretty simple explanation and it's not Cardiff City ruins strikers.
And they don't improve them either.
We spent a fair bit of money over those 2 years or so on players that didn't really fit the way we play at all, beyond Glatzel we spent serious money on Murphy, Reid and Tomlin, even players like Ward & Cunningham were brought in for millions with no obvious plan of where or how they'd play
It's like we spent money on a team we wanted to be, without ever bothering to hire managers who would implement a certain way of playing
I don't know why Tommy Doyle didn't play much for Hamburg, but since my argument is not that Hamburg is a worse team than Cardiff, but is that the opposition Hamburg plays against are on average worse than the opposition Cardiff plays against, I'm not sure it's quite as good a point as you think.
Yes, but it does rather make you look like someone who is trying to argue that Bundesliga 2 sides are full of mediocre Championship strikers who’ll score shedloads because all of the defenders they come up against are donkeys, but the midfielders are so good that an England under 21 international midfielder barely gets a kick - doesn’t really add up does it.
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