Ford to cut 1 in 5 jobs in the UK

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

The collapse of Britishvolt and the lack of EV battery manufacturing in the UK will probably be the final nail in the coffin of the UK car industry.
https://theconversation.com/britishv...-market-198104

[WJ99mobile]

The comments about the automotive industry are interesting, after several years of decline our order books are up 25% in Q1 and 50% from July. Predominately our German customers.

Of course thanks to Brexit, all of the manufacturing is here in Poland rather than the UK

Was there a shift happening anyway to offshore manufacturing to cheaper locations or was it actual Brexit reasoning? I know there's an issue with car parts shipped back and forth which probably Brexit made much harder

[az city]

Do you accept Ford leaving the UK is nothing to do with Brexit and is part of a wider move to shift US car manufacturing back to the USA?

Does Ford's strategy of shifting production bases pre-date Brexit? Yes. It also pre-dates Biden's re-shoring attempts. What's your point?

Brexit is killing UK car manufacturing. Here's the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/26/b...ry-brexit.html

It quotes CEOs on the issue.

[waynekerr55]

They've reached it you fool!

Re badged it!

[Des Parrot]

Was there a shift happening anyway to offshore manufacturing to cheaper locations or was it actual Brexit reasoning? I know there's an issue with car parts shipped back and forth which probably Brexit made much harder

The wording on the contracts was changed to must be made within the EU. All existing contracts remain in UK until around 2026, all new business nominated since 2018 has to be built within the boundaries of the EU

I started last April, this year it will be 50:50 with UK by end 2024 UK will only have the run out models

By 2026 it will be roughly a £600Million per annum loss to the British economy

[HiVis]

Does Ford's strategy of shifting production bases pre-date Brexit? Yes. It also pre-dates Biden's re-shoring attempts. What's your point?

Brexit is killing UK car manufacturing. Here's the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/26/b...ry-brexit.html

It quotes CEOs on the issue.

my point is that this particular issue we are discussing is nothing to do with Brexit.

Ford are making more jobs redundant in Germany than the UK.

This particular issue is nothing to do with Brexit no matter how you want to dress it up

[az city]

my point is that this particular issue we are discussing is nothing to do with Brexit.

Ford are making more jobs redundant in Germany than the UK.

This particular issue is nothing to do with Brexit no matter how you want to dress it up

OK, boss. You obviously know better than current and former car maker CEOs. (And BTW most industry experts.)

[North Cardiff Blue]

I can't remember where I saw it but basically the amount of cars produced in the UK has collapsed since 2016, its a total mystery as to why..

Cos Drakeford is closing all the roads, Wales won't need cars?

No major road improvements, 20mph, and speed cameras everywhere, if you want to drive move to England, Wales will blame global warming, but it gives them money to waste on daft ideas for the sake of being different.

Don't pay the paramedics anymore in ten years they will have no roads to collect people or no hospital beds to take them to. leave them all to retire from natural wastage.

[cyril evans awaydays]

OK, boss. You obviously know better than current and former car maker CEOs. (And BTW most industry experts.)

But what if you both have a point. Des has posted some stark evidence on Brexit's impact to go with the views you allude to.

However Ford seem to be retrenching back to a US focused future, encouraged by Biden's green investment subsidies. It's likely that the EU will respond with their own version for EU based manufacturers. That leaves "Global Britain" at risk of feeding off scraps in search of that ever more elusive Brexit dividend.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Do you accept Ford leaving the UK is nothing to do with Brexit and is part of a wider move to shift US car manufacturing back to the USA?

And generally trying to stop people from driving, blaming global warming.

[robjohn44]

The crux is Brexit as anyone with a modicum of intelligence would admit.

Jimbo, simple question - when did the decline in UK car production begin? Here's the answer for you: https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/manufacturing/

Also, note the biggest export market for UK cars? Yes, folks it's currently 53% to the EU.

Nonsense Brexit has nothing to do with it at all,just like ukraine war has nothing to do with inflation apart from the cereal crops. This is because vast amount of money was printed so now worth less hence inflation.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re badged it!

Have you got a distributor cap for a Ford mondeo ?

[Alan Lung]

Have you got a distributor cap for a Ford mondeo ?

I've got a washer bottle for a Ford Probe if that's any good to you?

[life on mars]

Surely the factors impacting cars is :
Uncertainty due to climate targets.
Manufacturing costs rises due to Covid.
Chinese continuing lockdown way after everyone else effecting supply routes.
Asian cars becoming very popular.
Ukraine war fuel price battles .
Second hand car market doing well ..

Who knows ????

[North Cardiff Blue]

Nonsense Brexit has nothing to do with it at all,just like ukraine war has nothing to do with inflation apart from the cereal crops. This is because vast amount of money was printed so now worth less hence inflation.

The fuel crisis pushed the price of manufacturing and delivery costs, which pushed up prices, as did the global shipping problems from the covid lockdowns. While fuel and energy costs remain high inflation can't yet drop to pre covid levels they are moving to single digit figures.

[HiVis]

OK, boss. You obviously know better than current and former car maker CEOs. (And BTW most industry experts.)

Not denying the UK car industry is in the doldrums (which Brexit has exacerbated), but this thread was specifically about Ford shedding jobs (which has nothing to do with Brexit)

[Des Parrot]

Honda closed
JLR sales down around 80% plus now partially moved to Slovakia
Toyota & Mini sales down
JLR engine plant at Wolverhampton, stopped buying engines from Bridgend

Shortages, chip sets, tft, lcds, glass, steel, wood, packaging A pallet has increased from £6 to £11. The list is endless

We used to export around 70% into Europe, Germany, France, Belgium, Sweden, Spain, Italy, Slovakia plus
The majority of that is now made in Poland and our UK factory living off scraps from JLR & Mini

[WJ99mobile]

Honda closed
JLR sales down around 80% plus now partially moved to Slovakia
Toyota & Mini sales down
JLR engine plant at Wolverhampton, stopped buying engines from Bridgend

Shortages, chip sets, tft, lcds, glass, steel, wood, packaging A pallet has increased from £6 to £11. The list is endless

We used to export around 70% into Europe, Germany, France, Belgium, Sweden, Spain, Italy, Slovakia plus
The majority of that is now made in Poland and our UK factory living off scraps from JLR & Mini

As someone who supported Brexit, there were plenty of levers that could have been pulled to benefit certain sectors. There were plenty of deals that could have been done.

the problem being that COVID completely took our focus away and then various other factors combined in it being incredibly more difficult. Who knows how Brexit would have panned out if that was our sole focus over the last few years.

However, it has become a complete shit show so far and won’t improve before the next GE.

[JamesWales]

A reminder here that from 2016 to 2021, France, Italy,Germany and the UK all have seen car production fall between 43 and 49%.

Clearly there is something else going on here.

[TWGL1]

Does Ford's strategy of shifting production bases pre-date Brexit? Yes. It also pre-dates Biden's re-shoring attempts. What's your point?

Brexit is killing UK car manufacturing. Here's the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/26/b...ry-brexit.html

It quotes CEOs on the issue.

Bridgend Ford closure :

The simple question is, if Brexit had never happened, would this decision be different, and the answer is no.”

In its official announcement, Ford said the proposed action was a "necessary step" to support Ford’s "global business redesign" and is part of the company’s strategy to create a more efficient and focused business in Europe.

In common with other vehicle-makers, the company is struggling to reshape its business as the world moves increasingly away from petrol and diesel and more toward electric and hybrid-powered vehicles.

Honda workers in Swindon are facing an uncertain future, the Nissan plant in Sunderland has missed out on making new models and Toyota, based in Derbyshire, has warned of the impact of Brexit on future production.


https://www.itv.com/news/2019-06-06/...-plant-in-2020

[Jordi Culé]

As someone who supported Brexit, there were plenty of levers that could have been pulled to benefit certain sectors. There were plenty of deals that could have been done.

the problem being that COVID completely took our focus away and then various other factors combined in it being incredibly more difficult. Who knows how Brexit would have panned out if that was our sole focus over the last few years.

However, it has become a complete shit show so far and won’t improve before the next GE.

You think Boris and Co focus was on Covid? Was that between the meetings he missed? The parties? Doing out his flat?

Hang on, I thought Brexit was ‘oven ready’?

[TWGL1]

You think Boris and Co focus was on Covid? Was that between the meetings he missed? The parties? Doing out his flat?

Hang on, I thought Brexit was ‘oven ready’?

This guy doesn’t think much of Boris during Covid either

https://twitter.com/lozzafox/status/...oU1PMa2q-bKFXA

[North Cardiff Blue]

As someone who supported Brexit, there were plenty of levers that could have been pulled to benefit certain sectors. There were plenty of deals that could have been done.

the problem being that COVID completely took our focus away and then various other factors combined in it being incredibly more difficult. Who knows how Brexit would have panned out if that was our sole focus over the last few years.

However, it has become a complete shit show so far and won’t improve before the next GE.

Remainers scuppered a good deal, Dominic Grieve, Yvette Cooper, and the rest were in cahoots with the EU to try and stop Brexit however they could and let the EU know what to expect and negotiate as bad a deal as they could to try and stop the wishes of the Country.

It's a bad deal, remainers have got their wish to leave the EU without all the benefits we should have been getting, they screwed us over, and we'll just have to get on with it.

[North Cardiff Blue]

A reminder here that from 2016 to 2021, France, Italy,Germany and the UK all have seen car production fall between 43 and 49%.

Clearly there is something else going on here.

Exactly

[North Cardiff Blue]

You think Boris and Co focus was on Covid? Was that between the meetings he missed? The parties? Doing out his flat?

Hang on, I thought Brexit was ‘oven ready’?

He was they were on the telly every night, it was all we heard about for a year or more, Covid was a massive distraction, and caused a massive overreaction too.