Surely it's Tyson Fury to blame for these fights not being made?

[logic]

If Fury announced that he was fighting Wallin tomorrow, then it would sell out the emirates, Spurs stadium or whatever. He's a worldwide sporting superstar, and he is known, Usyk isn't. Fury probably sees it (from a money point of view, and that is important in business) that he doesn't really need Usyk from a financial point of view, usyk needs Fury. I would say that is where the problems lie.

LMFAO.

So if Emirates would sell out tomorrow just because it's Fury and the opponent doesn't matter, then why on earth do you seem to intimate Fury's antics are promoting the fight? If your claim was correct, these antics wouldn't be needed.

More people know Fury? Maybe, maybe not.

Usyk needs Fury more than Fury needs Usyk? Bollocks. Fury needs to unify the titles, he holds one, Usyk three. Until they fight, Fury will be regarded as ducking someone he's repeatedly disparaged.

Fury doesn't need Usyk from a financial point of view? Silly, Fury hasn't needed to fight for ages, made his money. Usyk agreed a 70/30 split in favour of Fury. How mch more does Fry, who previously claimed he'd fight AJ for free on terrestrial TV want?

Fury ****ing with him, mindgames? Usyk is a ****ing warrior. Joined up to fight against Russia. You seriously think a single thing Fury says gets to him?

[Tuerto]

LMFAO.

So if Emirates would sell out tomorrow just because it's Fury and the opponent doesn't matter, then why on earth do you seem to intimate Fury's antics are promoting the fight? If your claim was correct, these antics wouldn't be needed.

More people know Fury? Maybe, maybe not.

Usyk needs Fury more than Fury needs Usyk? Bollocks. Fury needs to unify the titles, he holds one, Usyk three. Until they fight, Fury will be regarded as ducking someone he's repeatedly disparaged.

Fury doesn't need Usyk from a financial point of view? Silly, Fury hasn't needed to fight for ages, made his money. Usyk agreed a 70/30 split in favour of Fury. How mch more does Fry, who previously claimed he'd fight AJ for free on terrestrial TV want?

Fury ****ing with him, mindgames? Usyk is a ****ing warrior. Joined up to fight against Russia. You seriously think a single thing Fury says gets to him?

Donut head. Listen carefully, Fury sells the fight, not usyk, this isn't really that difficult to understand. Forget boxing ability and fighting russians for one second, Fury is the A side when it comes to selling, whether thats tickets or PPVs. And **** unifying, you think that's the first thing on either boxers mind? It's money and percentages, and both fighters will do whatever is needed in order to get the best deal for themselves and their families. You're a bit naive to think otherwise, or that there's some kind of honour in the sport of boxing where the money this fight is going to generate is concerned. As for Fury '****ing' with him, well yes, he is, from a business point of view. Usyk can go and fight Dubois, a fight he would win, but still a tough enough nights work, at a weight he's not natural at, earn **** all in comparison to what he would get if he fought Fury. Fury fights the fat mexican, or whoever he wants to really, and makes an absolute ****ing fortune. Do you get it now?

[logic]

Donut head. Listen carefully, Fury sells the fight, not usyk, this isn't really that difficult to understand. Forget boxing ability and fighting russians for one second, Fury is the A side when it comes to selling, whether thats tickets or PPVs. And **** unifying, you think that's the first thing on either boxers mind? It's money and percentages, and both fighters will do whatever is needed in order to get the best deal for themselves and their families. You're a bit naive to think otherwise, or that there's some kind of honour in the sport of boxing where the money this fight is going to generate is concerned. As for Fury '****ing' with him, well yes, he is, from a business point of view. Usyk can go and fight Dubois, a fight he would win, but still a tough enough nights work, at a weight he's not natural at, earn **** all in comparison to what he would get if he fought Fury. Fury fights the fat mexican, or whoever he wants to really, and makes an absolute ****ing fortune. Do you get it now?

All over the place.

You state it would sell out if it was Wallin. If the opponent is irrelevant, the stadium would sell out regardless so the antics are less promotional tactics and more bollocks to avoid fighting Usyk.

If you seriously think no heavyweight boxer dreams of unifying the 4 main titles, you don't understand boxing or boxers. Indeed, that would, you know, increase the level of demand Fury could make and thus increase his global brand and get great deals for himself and his family.

Fury is not ****ing with Usyk and you know it. Usyk as shown the public he wants the fight, agreeing to the 70/30 split ffs. You either don't seem to know Fury's history or have a poor grasp of brand development.

Fury rightly beat Klitschko, not pretty but effective. We'll skip over the drug test results and why the Hammer result was purged but not the Kiltschko one. We'll skip over being stripped of the IBF belt due to failing to perform a mandatory defence due to the re-match with Kitschko. We'll conveniently ignore the delays in fighting Klitschko again, the claimed mental health issues, the convenient ankle injury then retirement as suspended. We'll conveniently ignore the debacle in the AJ negotiations - fake negotiations all the while knowing Wilder had a valid rematch clause.

Usyk fights Dubois, then he fights Dubois, He'd have to at some point, given Dubois is a WBA mandatory defence. I assume you do know how title defences work? Who is Fury going to fight? An easy nights work, make the money, pad the record.

Your comments on Usyk show you're clearly a casual Fury fan. Was Evander Holyfield a natural at heavyweight, he was an incredibly good cruiser who moved up. Muhammed Ali clearly wasn't that good, I mean, he was what a glorified cruiser, weight wise.

Fury would make an absolute fortune fighting Usyk with the 70/30 split. Glad to see you're now accepting he's nver had any intention of fighting someone capable of beating him.

[Tuerto]

All over the place.

You state it would sell out if it was Wallin. If the opponent is irrelevant, the stadium would sell out regardless so the antics are less promotional tactics and more bollocks to avoid fighting Usyk.

If you seriously think no heavyweight boxer dreams of unifying the 4 main titles, you don't understand boxing or boxers. Indeed, that would, you know, increase the level of demand Fury could make and thus increase his global brand and get great deals for himself and his family.

Fury is not ****ing with Usyk and you know it. Usyk as shown the public he wants the fight, agreeing to the 70/30 split ffs. You either don't seem to know Fury's history or have a poor grasp of brand development.

Fury rightly beat Klitschko, not pretty but effective. We'll skip over the drug test results and why the Hammer result was purged but not the Kiltschko one. We'll skip over being stripped of the IBF belt due to failing to perform a mandatory defence due to the re-match with Kitschko. We'll conveniently ignore the delays in fighting Klitschko again, the claimed mental health issues, the convenient ankle injury then retirement as suspended. We'll conveniently ignore the debacle in the AJ negotiations - fake negotiations all the while knowing Wilder had a valid rematch clause.

Usyk fights Dubois, then he fights Dubois, He'd have to at some point, given Dubois is a WBA mandatory defence. I assume you do know how title defences work? Who is Fury going to fight? An easy nights work, make the money, pad the record.

Your comments on Usyk show you're clearly a casual Fury fan. Was Evander Holyfield a natural at heavyweight, he was an incredibly good cruiser who moved up. Muhammed Ali clearly wasn't that good, I mean, he was what a glorified cruiser, weight wise.

Fury would make an absolute fortune fighting Usyk with the 70/30 split. Glad to see you're now accepting he's nver had any intention of fighting someone capable of beating him.

You are silly and emotive. This is all about money. Neither fighter is getting what they want. I'm not talking about ability, injuries, alleged cheating etc, **** all of that, this is about who sells the fight more, who brings in the money, that's Fury, not Usyk, and as a result, both fighters aren't happy with how things have panned out.It's that simple really, isn't it? Unless some saudi money comes calling then the fight looks doomed in the UK.By the way, i don't care who wins.

[logic]

You are silly and emotive. This is all about money. Neither fighter is getting what they want. I'm not talking about ability, injuries, alleged cheating etc, **** all of that, this is about who sells the fight more, who brings in the money, that's Fury, not Usyk, and as a result, both fighters aren't happy with how things have panned out.It's that simple really, isn't it? Unless some saudi money comes calling then the fight looks doomed in the UK.By the way, i don't care who wins.

You are divorced from the realities going on.

Usyk is happy to fight with a ridiculously low split. Fury is finding reason after reason not to fight. Yes, people need to sell fights but the reality you ignore is that it's a sport first and foremost. Fury wants to fight whoever, fight a former UFC guy, argue the toss with the Pauls, claim to want to take 50 youtubers on, well let him go and do WWE and let the boxers do their thing. Fury is more than happy with the way things have turned out, he gets to take an easier fight, keep his no loss record intact. Usyk will fight mandatories, fight whoever because he's the guy who will have a legacy in the sport.

Saudi money? Jesus H Christ, do you actually know why the Saudi deal fell through?

[Tuerto]

You are divorced from the realities going on.

Usyk is happy to fight with a ridiculously low split. Fury is finding reason after reason not to fight. Yes, people need to sell fights but the reality you ignore is that it's a sport first and foremost. Fury wants to fight whoever, fight a former UFC guy, argue the toss with the Pauls, claim to want to take 50 youtubers on, well let him go and do WWE and let the boxers do their thing. Fury is more than happy with the way things have turned out, he gets to take an easier fight, keep his no loss record intact. Usyk will fight mandatories, fight whoever because he's the guy who will have a legacy in the sport.

Saudi money? Jesus H Christ, do you actually know why the Saudi deal fell through?

Yeah, because apparently Fury asked for too much money. Anecdotal of course though. Look, you are entitled to believe what you like, you see honour, legacy etc, i see money and business at this level of boxing, and Fury maybe attempting to age usyk out a bit, like canelo did with GGG.

[logic]

Yeah, because apparently Fury asked for too much money. Anecdotal of course though. Look, you are entitled to believe what you like, you see honour, legacy etc, i see money and business at this level of boxing, and Fury maybe attempting to age usyk out a bit, like canelo did with GGG.

Look, it's a sport first and foremost.

Fury doesn't want to fight the best, he wants to fight re-treads and those he can beat. Nothing wrong with making money, but there's making money and then there's taking the piss.

Fury has a habit of conveniently ducking fights he may lose - Klitschko rematch, AJ, now Usyk - using all manner of reasons. If he wants to be a comedy attraction, then fine, but he and his fans can't claim him to be great or a real champion.