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Didn't you support the people trying to overturn a democratic referendum result? Isn't that a bit, ya know, fascisty? It does make me question whether such people are the best judges of liberal democracies.Originally Posted by Dorcus
Jon, you do normally make reasoned posts even if I don't always agree with you, but with respect, you are not doing so here.
We all know what people are saying when they accuse someone of apeing 1930s Germany. They are accusing someone or something of being like one of the greatest mass murdering regimes in history.
I do support his right to say what he wants, but it was a stupid and ignorant comment.
I supported the overthrow of a morally flawed referendum initiated for bogus reasons and hugely disingenuous.
Had this referendum been set up on a truly democratic basis I would have respected the result. However, I have no time for referenda anyway, we are a Parliamentary Democracy and Parliament should have the exclusive right to make such momentous decisions.
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I agree that referenda should be used sparingly, but they should also be respected. But thanks for clarifying that it's okay if you don't like it, it's fine to dismiss the result.
What a hypocrite 😂.
Like I said, not the best to cast judgment on the state of liberal democracies.
James you're really missing the point on this one.
Creating the environment in which state sponsored murder is carried out does not happen overnight. There are antecedents which lead the way step by step. The dehumanising and scapegoating of a minority ethnicities is the very first part of the process.
No-one, and certainly not Lineker, was suggesting our Government are acting like the Nazis. But there are earnings from history and which should be heeded because dark forces can be unleashed very easily.
Lineker was right to warn of the dangers of inflammatory language which could cause tragedy if care is not taken. Surely it is worthy of reflection.
"They are accusing someone or something of being like one of the greatest mass murdering regimes in history. "
Or they are simply saying that the language that they used was not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the '30s.
Which, coincidentally, is *literally* what he said.
This won't last. He's a private citizen and allowed to have opinions.
Good God man what's hypocritical about what I said?
I don't agree with referenda and I don't think they're democratic. As I said we live in a Parliamentary Democracy. I'm happy to leave decisions which are beyond the scope of ordinary people to parliamentarians. Otherwise why don't we just settle everything by constant referenda?
David Cameron and others had meetings with Rupert Murdoch while in opposition is fact. His announcement to clip the wings of the BBC (a Murdoch aim) and Murdoch's new-found support for the Conservatives in 2009 must just be a mere coincidence. The government has suggested removing the licence fee - what sort of effect would holding such an axe have? Total impartiality?
You are wrong to say TV news stations need to be unbiased. GB News certainly isn't unbiased. A commercial broadcaster can report on what it wants in the same way Fox news in America broadcasts utter bollocks every day.
Going back to Channel 4, it is fact that the government have been hell bent on selling it. Do you think it would be so bothered had Channel 4 not been so critical of some of the things the government have done? If there's one broadcaster who is not afraid to challenge the government it is Channel 4.
Anyway, back to Lineker's tweet, he compares government language with that used in 1930s Germany to describe immigrants. When you read some of the stuff said by Braverman and others, nobody can say he's talking nonsense.
He said the language of the 30s not the actions of the 40s.
Usually enjoy watching motd (prob a bit old fashioned in that respect) but with it now just being straightforward highlights will just chuck sky on.
Apart from the news I guess there’s nothing else on bbc now
More news - All the BBC commentators have decided not to commentate on MOTD tomorrow.
Absolutely, but there are too many who are too stupid to realise this.
It is completely dissimilar when context is considered. Because Jews were fleeing Nazi Germany because they ended up getting slaughtered for their race/religion.
In the UK we are talking about people coming TO the UK (and stopping abuse of that system).
The differences are so stark that to make the analogy is totally ignorant. I suspect you know that. Labour will be no different when in power. They will have to talk tough on this, and when they do, that also will not be a sign of some impending fascist takeover.
It's all a bit nuts.
Like the horse is dictating where the jockey can go....
Ultimately, that shit's going to fail, surely.
The Nazis started murdering people in the early 1930s.
That has nothing to do with what Lineker tweeted, though.
Yep, it probably reinforces the point that there is a lot to be learned from history, lest we forget.
With the commentators now dropping out all that’s needed is for the players not to create any highlights. If only city were still in the top flight
Yup, like those who thought that Corbyn was a 'Trot' and would have the Lumpen in thrown into gulags if he were to be elected, there were people who were to stupid to understand that would never happen, but it was the narrative for a time, and it worked.
YOU'RE making that analogy James, not Gary Lineker.
You've made it all up in your head and created your own furore.
The dehumanising language that was used by the government the other day was absolutely reminiscent of something that would have been used 1930s Germany.
Keep harking on about the differences in the situations all you like as Linker didn't make any comparisons other than to criticise the language being used.
I think deep down you actually know this.
With language?!
Anyone who thought that was wrong. But that is EXACTLY the tactic people are deploying now - using an extreme example to try to make a point.
Saying Corbyn will make Britain communist - Wrong
Saying the vaccine is like the Holocaust - Wrong
Saying current policy is like the Nazis - Wrong.
It's all fkn stupid. World war 2 analogies nearly always are.
Who is saying this?
Hang on are you now saying language doesn't matter?!
Nope..I'm replying to whoever it was that said the comments were about the 1930s not actions in the 1940...but the Nazis started murdering people in the 1930s.
Who said the "current policy is like the Nazis"?
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