Oh Dear Gary

[Ninja]

What the feck do you want me to say? You have the opinion that people with money aren't allowed any sort of socialist opinion. I disagree. It's entirely possible for wealthy people who have had working class upbringing to maintain those views even when they have money. There used to be a well-known radio presenter and jazz musician called Humphrey Lyttleton. He made a fortune out of music in his life yet he was always a staunch socialist his entire life and did amazing things for so many up and coming musicians.

You're right. I don't have a comeback. When I think someone is talking out of their arse, it's difficult to counter such stupidity.

I didn't "want" you to say anything Eric, and I wasn't trying to guide you to say anything in particular either, for the record.

I didn't say, either, that people with money aren't allowed an opinion!
Every man with the ability to vote is (obviously) entitled to cast a vote, and voice their opinion.

You're getting very defensive about wealthy people from working class backgrounds, is that the category you put yourself in?

It makes no odds to me what you have, or who you are, I just think some people are so far removed from reality that it's f*cking criminal.

It's all good when you own a little castle and can afford private healthcare.
It's really not good when you can't afford neither. Sometimes, people with those things, need to remember that there are MANY without those things

[Tuerto]

What the feck do you want me to say? You have the opinion that people with money aren't allowed any sort of socialist opinion. I disagree. It's entirely possible for wealthy people who have had working class upbringing to maintain those views even when they have money. There used to be a well-known radio presenter and jazz musician called Humphrey Lyttleton. He made a fortune out of music in his life yet he was always a staunch socialist his entire life and did amazing things for so many up and coming musicians.

You're right. I don't have a comeback. When I think someone is talking out of their arse, it's difficult to counter such stupidity.

And what you will find is that when working class people do well financially out of their chosen skill, ability etc, then they're bloody good at it, they've earned the right.

[lardy]

I didn't "want" you to say anything Eric, and I wasn't trying to guide you to say anything in particular either, for the record.

I didn't say, either, that people with money aren't allowed an opinion!
Every man with the ability to vote is (obviously) entitled to cast a vote, and voice their opinion.

You're getting very defensive about wealthy people from working class backgrounds, is that the category you put yourself in?

It makes no odds to me what you have, or who you are, I just think some people are so far removed from reality that it's f*cking criminal.

It's all good when you own a little castle and can afford private healthcare.
It's really not good when you can't afford neither. Sometimes, people with those things, need to remember that there are MANY without those things

Your last sentence is precisely what Eric was saying

[Eric the Half a Bee]

And what you will find is that when working class people do well financially out of their chosen skill, ability etc, then they're bloody good at it, they've earned the right.

Absolutely.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Your last sentence is precisely what Eric was saying

[Ninja]

Your last sentence is precisely what Eric was saying

Eric wanted to turn it into a political shit-storm, read the thread.
Yet again, anybody who disagrees, is "right wing", it's getting tedious as f*ck on here lately, to be honest.

I've been labelled "right wing" myself, despite posting NOTHING that would suggest that being my stance.

I'm no f*cking wing, not right, not left, not even "centrist", I just think for myself.

It's what all of us "HYOOMAN'S" should do...
Instead of getting sucked in by political agenda's and bullshit, along with "social f*cking media".

[Divine Wright]

Whilst MOTD is a lot of fawning nonsense at times how anyone could say it's better without the commentary is beyond me

I am glad Lineker spoke out against the conservatives

I get the impression that MOTD and the pundits on there are seen by the likes of The Athletic and the other journos as lightweight...... and to an extent I'd agree.

That said, I find Lineker, Wright, Shearer, Murphy and Richards to be quite a likeable bunch , with totally sound observations on the whole. Bit of a blokey, lad-banter vibe, but that's not heir fault.

When I think of the other gangs on Sky and BT etc (Carra, Neville, Keane, Souness) I think the characters on the bbc are way more palatable.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I get the impression that MOTD and the pundits on there are seen by the likes of The Athletic and the other journos as lightweight...... and to an extent I'd agree.

That said, I find Lineker, Wright, Shearer, Murphy and Richards to be quite a likeable bunch , with totally sound observations on the whole. Bit of a blokey, lad-banter vibe, but that's not heir fault.

When I think of the other gangs on Sky and BT etc (Carra, Neville, Keane, Souness) I think the characters on the bbc are way more palatable.

BBC pundits can be annoying that clem Middlesbrough accent fella winds me up and shearer is on good money for saying nowt

Thank god lawrenson is out of a job mind

But ......when the Beeb lost the football to ITV I really couldn't watch it ......absolutely dreadful coverage

Sky is death as far as I am concerned . I don't have it and when I do see it I am glad I am not paying money for that .

[Ninja]

Thank god lawrenson is out of a job mind

Really can't disagree with that.
Probably the most annoying "pundit" in the last 30 years.

[az city]

Politics don't come into this for me, it's about moral's.
Lineker's in no position to tell any government what they should or shouldn't do from behind his fortified castle walls, while getting his teeth whitened and wearing Savile Row's finest suits.

Eat the rich.

Isn't a majority of the current government composed of the people you describe?

[pipster]

Out of interest, why do you think he wouldnt want that? He has proven with his outside BBC work that he is popular else where and can earn much more than what the BBC are paying him. He genuinely seems to like working on MOTD

HMRC deemed him to be employed by the BBC whilst claiming to be an independent contract - Lineker lost the case and ordered to pay 4.6 million - the appeal is next month. He will use this claimb down by the bbc as proof he's independent - maybe all to coincidental

[lardy]

HMRC deemed him to be employed by the BBC whilst claiming to be an independent contract - Lineker lost the case and ordered to pay 4.6 million - the appeal is next month. He will use this claimb down by the bbc as proof he's independent - maybe all to coincidental

I'm going to guess that you aren't a lawyer.

[lardy]

Yesterday someone was saying lineker tweeted so he could leave the BBC for sky.

Now it's win the appeal against HMRC.

So many birds with one stone. What a mastermind this guy is, and to think we just thought he was a goal hanger.

[Wales-Bales]

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Yesterday someone was saying lineker tweeted so he could leave the BBC for sky.

Now it's win the appeal against HMRC.

So many birds with one stone. What a mastermind this guy is, and to think we just thought he was a goal hanger.

I wasn't aware of his tax avoidance situation, but stick to my original comments, ie he knew exactly what he was doing with that post and the employment/legal implications of what reaction if any came from the BBC. It would be nice if just for a moment some people could bring him of that pedestal they've placed him on..

[lardy]

I wasn't aware of his tax avoidance situation, but stick to my original comments, ie he knew exactly what he was doing with that post and the employment/legal implications of what reaction if any came from the BBC. It would be nice if just for a moment some people could bring him of that pedestal they've placed him on..

You're the one who's got him playing 64D chess with the government AND the BBC in less than 140 characters, and apparently everyone else has him on a pedestal

[pipster]

I'm going to guess that you aren't a lawyer.

And I'm going to guess you aren't of sound mind

[Wales-Bales]

And I'm going to guess you aren't of sound mind

Why did it take you so long!

[+ the native hipster]

I find the whole think quite humorous to be honest. We had "Tommy Robinson" claiming he wasn't being allowed freedom of speech when he was stirring up racial hatred. Donald Trump used to complain that he wasn't allowed freedom of speech. There are several right-wing social media sites set up to promote freedom of speech. Over the last decade or so there has definitely been a battle between the political right and so-called snowflakes, in terms of being allowed to say what you like regardless of who it offends. No political side of the left-right scale has chirped more about freedom of speech than the political right, especially the far right.

Then along comes a TV presenter who, using freedom of speech, has made several strong criticisms about our right wing government culminating in a certain tweet posted last week. The result has been that it has turned the freedom-of-speech-loving right wingers into a frenzy, saying this presenter shouldn't have been posting such things. Freedom of speech for some, not all. All of a sudden, the snowflakes are on the right.

You couldn't make it up.

look at the VAR, freedom of speech appears to be playing him onside , but there is clearly a touch from the bbc charter.

[cyril evans awaydays]

And I'm going to guess you aren't of sound mind

Help us out here, pip. It seems only a few short weeks ago that you announced your re-emergence breathlessly stating after the Reading game that "Last friday night walking back - I finally got the bug again hence why I re joined here".

Yet that was your first and last post on football. There may be a few cynics on here you may need to win over in convincing everyone you are an invigorating fresh new face rather than another silly persona off the conveyor belt.

[pipster]

Help us out here, pip. It seems only a few short weeks ago that you announced your re-emergence breathlessly stating after the Reading game that "Last friday night walking back - I finally got the bug again hence why I re joined here".

Yet that was your first and last post on football. There may be a few cynics on here you may need to win over in convincing everyone you are an invigorating fresh new face rather than another silly persona off the conveyor belt.

First season 1976 - i was 9 years old - if that helps. I wasnt aware I had to meet a certain number of posts per week before i could post anything else. Up until very recently I'd rather not bother to talk about the level of football - but happy to engage you if you would like me to.

Was on this board - a long time ago, had enough of it. Came back on after the Reading game (well observed), went to the Brizzle game (if that helps you) . my son comes with me to most games now - so yes I have the bug again - and also like to chew the fat on other things - as most blokes do I guess.

Lineker his tax fine and appeal - the bbc decision will be in his favour (in my opinion) , my other opinion - he needs to decide if he is a punter or a politician just my 2p worth.

[cyril evans awaydays]

First season 1976 - i was 9 years old - if that helps. I wasnt aware I had to meet a certain number of posts per week before i could post anything else. Up until very recently I'd rather not bother to talk about the level of football - but happy to engage you if you would like me to.

Was on this board - a long time ago, had enough of it. Came back on after the Reading game (well observed), went to the Brizzle game (if that helps you) . my son comes with me to most games now - so yes I have the bug again - and also like to chew the fat on other things - as most blokes do I guess.

Lineker his tax fine and appeal - the bbc decision will be in his favour (in my opinion) , my other opinion - he needs to decide if he is a punter or a politician just my 2p worth.

Thanks for the reply. What did you used to post under?

[cyril evans awaydays]

Apologies Pip for the challenge. We get a lot of rejoiners on here with a bit of a dubious back story.

Anyway, you are lucky to have rejoined a home of like minded people. By way of introduction there is RonnieBird (oh he stopped posting), HyperboreanCCFC (oh him as well). Ok there is Lither_1927 (oh, banned but still lurking), Wait, what about Clandestine and RedSetter (oh, just banned).

I guess you will just have to make do with the WalesBales/TWGL1 twins for company. Still who knows who might turn up next to keep you company? If someone does emerge you can bet your bottom dollar they will have shared "values" when they do so and a great rejoining tale to tell.

[cyril evans awaydays]

First season 1976 - i was 9 years old - if that helps. I wasnt aware I had to meet a certain number of posts per week before i could post anything else. Up until very recently I'd rather not bother to talk about the level of football - but happy to engage you if you would like me to.

Was on this board - a long time ago, had enough of it. Came back on after the Reading game (well observed), went to the Brizzle game (if that helps you) . my son comes with me to most games now - so yes I have the bug again - and also like to chew the fat on other things - as most blokes do I guess.

Lineker his tax fine and appeal - the bbc decision will be in his favour (in my opinion) , my other opinion - he needs to decide if he is a punter or a politician just my 2p worth.

Thanks for the pm. Bit strange but each to their own. You didn't say what your old user name was though!

[HiVis]

I,m pretty certain Lineker knew what he was doing. A particularly controversial tweet - much more stronger than anything before - and the suspension and support from some quarters just added to his online status. I don't doubt he was hoping he'd get taken off permanently and head off to Sky or somewhere, where he can get even more money. Now he's being seen as holding BBC to ransom, something which the saintly Lineker wouldn't have wanted.

if Lineker wanted to leave the BBC he could have just upped and left after this episode.