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Fall in support for independence
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...ust-a-26359340
I sense we are past the peak conditions for independence movements, which austerity and the immediate post-brexit era and Covid probably provided fertile ground for.
I am absolutely loving the SNP meltdown at the moment. That's one party and politicians I have very little time for.
A collapse of the SNP vote will mean good news for Labour (I assume)?Originally Posted by JamesWales
Remains to be seen if it collapses. I suspect it wont though it will probably fall and that will benefit Labour more than any others.
Ive always been strongly anti independence. Anything to not have a far right Govt like this again though.
My thoughts exactly. If we can get Labour in I won't give tuppence for independence. Id like to see a strong, unified, left wing UK playing it's part in improving the World.
You are in luck. Simply open your eyes and awake from your dream and kazzam! No far-right govt. Phew!
UK is one of the biggest aid doners in the world. We are contributing greatly to facing down Putin and we are one of the fastest decarbonising nations in the west. Does that not count?
Only marginally, so very much more to be done. A change of government would help enormously.
On the three things I mentioned, I doubt that very much.
I think if we have a new government, you may end up being very disappointed! Ain't that the truth with all governments I suppose?!
Welsh independence is an even more stupid idea that Scottish
Fantasy nonsense
I disagree.
100 years ago people would have said the same about an independent Ireland - then the poorest part of the UK.
now richer than the UK.
if it hadn't have become independent there is no way I would believe that it wouldn't be the poorest part of the UK still today.
if it stays within the UK, Wales will always get the shitty end of the stick
Ireland is technically richer than the UK, but the overall cost of living is 20% higher - food 25%, housing 35%.
I don't want to be a bearer of bad news, but! nobody knows where the heck Wales is outside of GB. I have on hundreds of occasions had point to out where we are on a map to non Brits. Nobody gives a feck
We just as well say let's have Independence for Monmouthshire, Glamorgan, Cardiff or the Isle of Wight.
Mendacious claptrap.
Irelands GDP is vastly overinflated as a result of the double Irish. Companies such as Amazon, Facebook et al are based in Ireland and are included in GDP but pay little corporate taxes. The GDP figure is so misleading the Irish central bank prefers GNI as a measure, which is less than the UK
Ireland can't even afford socialised healthcare, it's complete nonsense that its a richer country (per capita) than the UK. There are around 500k Irish in the UK - 1 in 10 - and that's because the UK has better economic prospects.
The Irish government is extremely unusual in that it doesn't chart its own waters. It is still done by the UK, which owns the relevant IP that applies.
The UK also provides air and naval defence for the island of Ireland.
Ireland cannot afford its own defence, nor can it afford its own NHS, and around 1 in 10 Irish go overseas for work, yet there are those who are so delusional they believe this is the best type of future for Wales. Madness.
Isn't there a reluctance of some woild-be supporters of Irish nationalism in Northern Ireland precisely because of the prospect of losing access to the NHS?
You are right of course. 100 years ago people would have said the same about Ireland (what we now call the Rep of Ireland) and ROI is now a very advanced and wealthy country.
There's a few things to note though; It took ROI a great many decades to achieve that. It's interesting reading about the Celtic Tiger, but a big shift in education and training and favourable tax regimes and investment all contributed. There is no reason Wales couldn't do that, but it would have to stand out against competitors. Cardiff isn't Dublin unfortunately, but maybe we could be?
Wales is also far more intertwined with England the rest of the UK, both geographically, demographically and economically. As such I think there is much less of a cultural or economic case for independence.
But whilst I am opposed to it, I am open minded on it and I don't doubt over the long run there would possibly be minimal economic impact but in the short term I think it would be severe. I just don't see the benefit of it at all really and no one has convinced me much on that aside from the energy market angle, which we could clearly be a major exporter of.
Absolutely. Whilst the catholic/nationalist community are now most likely to form a majority, Morden societal problems are not confined to where you pay your tax, but what services can I expect for healthcare, social care and education. Whilst NI is arguably the poorest part of the UK its still richer than most of the rest of the island, save for the Pale.
Ireland is not a wealthy country. Its not even the wealthiest part of the island of Ireland.
it's a lot wealthier than it would have been had it stayed in the uk
I would like Swansea to be independent
Put it on that Swansea Cork ferry
Get rid of it
How do you know?
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