Russell Brand and other fantasists

[jon1959]

A good article (in my opinion) by George Monbiot on the evolution of Brand into a poster boy of far right conspiracy fans - like a few on here.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...responsibility

The line that resonates most with me is: 'bizarre stories about shadowy “elites” protect real elites from scrutiny and challenge'.

Which I think is the main purpose of all this shit. All these cult members and YouTube groupies following the Steve Bannon playbook. Mad, bad and sad!

[Rjk]

A good article (in my opinion) by George Monbiot on the evolution of Brand into a poster boy of far right conspiracy fans - like a few on here.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...responsibility

The line that resonates most with me is: 'bizarre stories about shadowy “elites” protect real elites from scrutiny and challenge'.

Which I think is the main purpose of all this shit. All these cult members and YouTube groupies following the Steve Bannon playbook. Mad, bad and sad!

I don't think there's any purpose or strategy behind any of this, beyond these people start to gain popularity and income from pedalling this nonsense so they lean into it , I'm sure half of them don't even really believe this shite

[Claude Blue]

I don't think there's any purpose or strategy behind any of this, beyond these people start to gain popularity and income from pedalling this nonsense so they lean into it , I'm sure half of them don't even really believe this shite

This is very much my view. They're just grifters, often earning a very tidy living off the backs of the gullible.

We obviously have a couple of posters here who have fallen for this shite and, as I keep saying, they should be ignored for their own sakes as well as the rest of us.

Remove the attention and they'll fade away.

[the other bob wilson]

This is very much my view. They're just grifters, often earning a very tidy living off the backs of the gullible.

We obviously have a couple of posters here who have fallen for this shite and, as I keep saying, they should be ignored for their own sakes as well as the rest of us.

Remove the attention and they'll fade away.

The head grifter? Maybe not any more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones

[Taunton Blue Genie]

I don't think there's any purpose or strategy behind any of this, beyond these people start to gain popularity and income from pedalling this nonsense so they lean into it , I'm sure half of them don't even really believe this shite

It's just a cycle they are going through.

[Wales-Bales]

I don't think there's any purpose or strategy behind any of this, beyond these people start to gain popularity and income from pedalling this nonsense so they lean into it , I'm sure half of them don't even really believe this shite

Playing devils advocate, what event or sequence of events would make you question any of this nonsense?

[lardy]

I don't think there's any purpose or strategy behind any of this, beyond these people start to gain popularity and income from pedalling this nonsense so they lean into it , I'm sure half of them don't even really believe this shite

The Fox emails from the Dominion court case would suggest that you are absolutely correct.

[Wales-Bales]

The Fox emails from the Dominion court case would suggest that you are absolutely correct.

I was surprised when you didn't change your username after spreading lies and propaganda on here for 5 years

[MOZZER2]

I was surprised when you didn't change your username after spreading lies and propaganda on here for 5 years

now now wales bales lets not upset the elite on here

back to Russell i,m 50 50 on his pod casts .

[Wales-Bales]

now now wales bales lets not upset the elite on here

The elite on here have very short memories!

[Wales-Bales]

A good article (in my opinion) by George Monbiot on the evolution of Brand into a poster boy of far right conspiracy fans - like a few on here.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...responsibility

The line that resonates most with me is: 'bizarre stories about shadowy “elites” protect real elites from scrutiny and challenge'.

Which I think is the main purpose of all this shit. All these cult members and YouTube groupies following the Steve Bannon playbook. Mad, bad and sad!

What you going to do when you've got a Digital ID, CBDC, live in a 15 minute city, and you're being monitored 24/7?

[jon1959]

What you going to do when you've got a Digital ID, CBDC, live in a 15 minute city, and you're being monitored 24/7?

In have got several forms of digital ID already, and they are convenient. I pay all of my bills and manage my bank and credit card accounts online for instant access and greater control. I have learned to accept the expansion of CCTV, but it is not the technology that bothers me. I live in Sheffield which aspires to be one of hundreds of 15 Minute Cities, with self sufficient neighbourhoods and reduced pollution, which (if done well and with majority consent) has always seemed to me to be a good thing!

So what I'm going to do is carry on as now. I will continue to oppose the efforts of the Old World Order to enrich themselves at the expense of the majority of humanity. I will not follow you and the other smug cult members into promoting far right fantasies and carpet bombing the board with infantile and dangerous nonsense. The only upside is that apart from Organ (who now has the world's largest stash of Spam and gets out to harass beer garden drinkers when he's not shouting at traffic lights) none of you ever 'do' anything either. Just spray your paranoid inventions around like an incontinent child, and then dodge and deflect when challenged.

[Wales-Bales]

In have got several forms of digital ID already.

Can they turn off what can buy and decide where you can go?

[the other bob wilson]

In have got several forms of digital ID already, and they are convenient. I pay all of my bills and manage my bank and credit card accounts online for instant access and greater control. I have learned to accept the expansion of CCTV, but it is not the technology that bothers me. I live in Sheffield which aspires to be one of hundreds of 15 Minute Cities, with self sufficient neighbourhoods and reduced pollution, which (if done well and with majority consent) has always seemed to me to be a good thing!

So what I'm going to do is carry on as now. I will continue to oppose the efforts of the Old World Order to enrich themselves at the expense of the majority of humanity. I will not follow you and the other smug cult members into promoting far right fantasies and carpet bombing the board with infantile and dangerous nonsense. The only upside is that apart from Organ (who now has the world's largest stash of Spam and gets out to harass beer garden drinkers when he's not shouting at traffic lights) none of you ever 'do' anything either. Just spray your paranoid inventions around like an incontinent child, and then dodge and deflect when challenged.

[Organ Morgan.]

In have got several forms of digital ID already, and they are convenient. I pay all of my bills and manage my bank and credit card accounts online for instant access and greater control. I have learned to accept the expansion of CCTV, but it is not the technology that bothers me. I live in Sheffield which aspires to be one of hundreds of 15 Minute Cities, with self sufficient neighbourhoods and reduced pollution, which (if done well and with majority consent) has always seemed to me to be a good thing!

So what I'm going to do is carry on as now. I will continue to oppose the efforts of the Old World Order to enrich themselves at the expense of the majority of humanity. I will not follow you and the other smug cult members into promoting far right fantasies and carpet bombing the board with infantile and dangerous nonsense. The only upside is that apart from Organ (who now has the world's largest stash of Spam and gets out to harass beer garden drinkers when he's not shouting at traffic lights) none of you ever 'do' anything either. Just spray your paranoid inventions around like an incontinent child, and then dodge and deflect when challenged.

'I will continue to oppose the efforts of the Old World Order...'

By continuing to obey, conform and submit while punctuated by appearing on your doorstep to applaud on cue. What a hero!

Among my 'spam' is a great many PDF versions of published books.

I've linked to quite a few down the years, including The Creature from Jeckyll Island (banking, usury, the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank in the US, which isn't federal but privately owned, etc), War is a Racket that concerns why wars are manufactured and who profits from them, The Committee of 300 which claims 300 people run the world from the shadows which delegates to Chatham House and the Club of Rome to coordinate and enforce its edicts.

I'll add another today, Eleanor McBean's 1957 tome The Poisoned Needle.

https://ia802503.us.archive.org/10/i...-%20McBean.pdf

[JamesWales]

A good article (in my opinion) by George Monbiot on the evolution of Brand into a poster boy of far right conspiracy fans - like a few on here.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...responsibility

The line that resonates most with me is: 'bizarre stories about shadowy “elites” protect real elites from scrutiny and challenge'.

Which I think is the main purpose of all this shit. All these cult members and YouTube groupies following the Steve Bannon playbook. Mad, bad and sad!

Am in two minds on this really.

Firstly, without doubt Russell Brand is a fine comedian who has clearly drifted off into the YouTube sphere in recent years and dabbles with various the conspiracy theories. However, Ii would say that this is also an accusation (YouTube aside) I would throw #at George Monbiot. His back catalogue of opinion pieces is full of divisive tropes about how the government are hell bent on destroying the environment / economy/democracy etc. It's mostly bollocks and they both share the growing trait that presents extreme positions and uses very selective evidence to illustrate it. This is something that's been growing since the 2008 global crisis and the rise of social media and Covid gave it a huge shot in the arm..no pun intended..

Monbiots back catalogue here: https://www.theguardian.com/profile/georgemonbiot

I used to like Russell Brand. I went off him when he went all Corbyny around 2015, which George Monbiot (positively) references in the article. Since then I've found him increasingly radical across the political spectrum, and for example, I just listened to his last video on YouTube (the first time I ever gave) and he's deploying left-wing tropes more than anything else really. In that sense, I do think what we are seeing is something across the spectrum and as I say I think both protagonists in this thread contribute to it. It's a general mistrust of power.

Back catalogue here: https://m.youtube.com/@RussellBrand

In his defence, I do think there is scope for a real analysis of how quickly govts took some of our freedoms in covid and how necessary they were, and it's important we truly find out the value of masks, the effects of the vaccine and the cause of the pandemic. There is nothing wrong with doing that and we should all be finding out these questions.

Also, I do have real concerns about things like a cashless society, mental health and social fabric impacts of working from home, some aspects of the green movement etc which I do think it's important to soberly consider.

In all honesty, people like Monbiot and Brand are both cut from the same cloth for me. We can learn something from listening to them both, and both will make valid points within the volcano of information that spray out but it's better off listening to both of them or neither of them really

[Wales-Bales]

In his defence, I do think there is scope for a real analysis of how quickly govts took some of our freedoms in covid and how necessary they were

Meanwhile in Western Autralia..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...k-McGowan.html

[cyril evans awaydays]

Meanwhile in Western Autralia..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...k-McGowan.html

You seem to be advocating open borders. You sure you have all your narrative shit together?

[Wales-Bales]

You seem to be advocating open borders. You sure you have all your narrative shit together?

How can there be open borders when everybody entering Australia passes through immigration & passports, and undergoes a customs check!

[cyril evans awaydays]

How can there be open borders when everybody entering Australia passes through immigration & passports, and undergoes a customs check!

A bit like Schengen then!

[az city]

Am in two minds on this really.

Firstly, without doubt Russell Brand is a fine comedian who has clearly drifted off into the YouTube sphere in recent years and dabbles with various the conspiracy theories. However, Ii would say that this is also an accusation (YouTube aside) I would throw #at George Monbiot. His back catalogue of opinion pieces is full of divisive tropes about how the government are hell bent on destroying the environment / economy/democracy etc. It's mostly bollocks and they both share the growing trait that presents extreme positions and uses very selective evidence to illustrate it. This is something that's been growing since the 2008 global crisis and the rise of social media and Covid gave it a huge shot in the arm..no pun intended..

Monbiots back catalogue here: https://www.theguardian.com/profile/georgemonbiot

I used to like Russell Brand. I went off him when he went all Corbyny around 2015, which George Monbiot (positively) references in the article. Since then I've found him increasingly radical across the political spectrum, and for example, I just listened to his last video on YouTube (the first time I ever gave) and he's deploying left-wing tropes more than anything else really. In that sense, I do think what we are seeing is something across the spectrum and as I say I think both protagonists in this thread contribute to it. It's a general mistrust of power.

Back catalogue here: https://m.youtube.com/@RussellBrand

In his defence, I do think there is scope for a real analysis of how quickly govts took some of our freedoms in covid and how necessary they were, and it's important we truly find out the value of masks, the effects of the vaccine and the cause of the pandemic. There is nothing wrong with doing that and we should all be finding out these questions.

Also, I do have real concerns about things like a cashless society, mental health and social fabric impacts of working from home, some aspects of the green movement etc which I do think it's important to soberly consider.

In all honesty, people like Monbiot and Brand are both cut from the same cloth for me. We can learn something from listening to them both, and both will make valid points within the volcano of information that spray out but it's better off listening to both of them or neither of them really

So you don't like Gary Lineker, Clive Lewis, George Monbiot, Stephen Flynn inter alia that I can recall you telling us all recently.

I wonder what they've all got in common?

Does the Council know you're on here all day every day rather than doing some planning?

[TWGL1]

So you don't like Gary Lineker, Clive Lewis, George Monbiot, Stephen Flynn inter alia that I can recall you telling us all recently.

I wonder what they've all got in common?

Does the Council know you're on here all day every day rather than doing some planning?

Grass - hmmmmm

[JamesWales]

Am in two minds on this really.

Firstly, without doubt Russell Brand is a fine comedian who has clearly drifted off into the YouTube sphere in recent years and dabbles with various the conspiracy theories. However, Ii would say that this is also an accusation (YouTube aside) I would throw #at George Monbiot. His back catalogue of opinion pieces is full of divisive tropes about how the government are hell bent on destroying the environment / economy/democracy etc. It's mostly bollocks and they both share the growing trait that presents extreme positions and uses very selective evidence to illustrate it. This is something that's been growing since the 2008 global crisis and the rise of social media and Covid gave it a huge shot in the arm..no pun intended..

Monbiots back catalogue here: https://www.theguardian.com/profile/georgemonbiot

I used to like Russell Brand. I went off him when he went all Corbyny around 2015, which George Monbiot (positively) references in the article. Since then I've found him increasingly radical across the political spectrum, and for example, I just listened to his last video on YouTube (the first time I ever gave) and he's deploying left-wing tropes more than anything else really. In that sense, I do think what we are seeing is something across the spectrum and as I say I think both protagonists in this thread contribute to it. It's a general mistrust of power.

Back catalogue here: https://m.youtube.com/@RussellBrand

In his defence, I do think there is scope for a real analysis of how quickly govts took some of our freedoms in covid and how necessary they were, and it's important we truly find out the value of masks, the effects of the vaccine and the cause of the pandemic. There is nothing wrong with doing that and we should all be finding out these questions.

Also, I do have real concerns about things like a cashless society, mental health and social fabric impacts of working from home, some aspects of the green movement etc which I do think it's important to soberly consider.

In all honesty, people like Monbiot and Brand are both cut from the same cloth for me. We can learn something from listening to them both, and both will make valid points within the volcano of information that spray out but it's better off listening to both of them or neither of them really

That's what I think anyway. No doubt to some it makes me either Tory Scum or a Globalist and member of the WEF.

[John Buchanan]

In have got several forms of digital ID already, and they are convenient. I pay all of my bills and manage my bank and credit card accounts online for instant access and greater control. I have learned to accept the expansion of CCTV, but it is not the technology that bothers me. I live in Sheffield which aspires to be one of hundreds of 15 Minute Cities, with self sufficient neighbourhoods and reduced pollution, which (if done well and with majority consent) has always seemed to me to be a good thing!

So what I'm going to do is carry on as now. I will continue to oppose the efforts of the Old World Order to enrich themselves at the expense of the majority of humanity. I will not follow you and the other smug cult members into promoting far right fantasies and carpet bombing the board with infantile and dangerous nonsense. The only upside is that apart from Organ (who now has the world's largest stash of Spam and gets out to harass beer garden drinkers when he's not shouting at traffic lights) none of you ever 'do' anything either. Just spray your paranoid inventions around like an incontinent child, and then dodge and deflect when challenged.

Nice post Jon.

[Organ Morgan.]

Lads, if it provides you with solace carry on believing in fake wars, fake money, fake moon landings, fake terrorist organisations, fake political divides, fake viruses, fake vaccines and fake epidemics. You will remain among the great majority.

“We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”: former CIA director, William Casey.

Did CIA Director William Casey really say, "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false"? https://www.quora.com/Did-CIA-Direct...ieves-is-false