FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

[D. Advocaat]

Hopeless in many areas, clueless in others. We would not have scored if we had still be playing now. One shot went for a throw in after all! I feel we will stay up thanks to points deductions and other teams incompetence, BUT with two more restricted transfer windows what sort of squad will start next season irrespective of which division we are in.

Our better loan players will go back to their clubs and certainly won't sign for us on frees.

23 / 24 looks bleak and my opinion and the manager is still out - his record is poor.

It has to be said that the first 30 minutes was utterly shambolic, from the team selection, to the formation, and the performance, culminating in the early substitutions. Lamouchi got it very wrong today and the team looked unprepared and disjointed.

[blue lewj]

Callum Robinson had never been sent off in his career before the game at Swansea - his actions were completely out of character.

That wasn't showing character though was it.

That was just stupidity.

[Hilts]

It has to be said that the first 30 minutes was utterly shambolic, from the team selection, to the formation, and the performance, culminating in the early substitutions. Lamouchi got it very wrong today and the team looked unprepared and disjointed.

I think the management was shambolic for the entire 90 plus injury time. I really dont think they had a clue what they were doing.

However much quality we lack at least set us up with some sort of organisation.

It really was pathetic today.

[the other bob wilson]

That wasn't showing character though was it.

That was just stupidity.

It was out of character, doing something he’d never done before. Sawyers has been a very good Championship midfielder and through his career has played with character and bravery - he’s like Steve McPhail whose name has been mentioned in this thread in that he wanted to get on the ball and play even when things were not going well for his team, that takes character and bravery in my book.That said, he’s struggling again lately after doing well when Lamouchi first came here.

You won’t get an argument from me about Ojo though, I’m afraid I’ve given up on him after our last two home games.

[Dave Blue]

It has to be said that the first 30 minutes was utterly shambolic, from the team selection, to the formation, and the performance, culminating in the early substitutions. Lamouchi got it very wrong today and the team looked unprepared and disjointed.

I was looking for a quick summary and you have provided it. Awful from the manager down. A key home game and they looked like all their work was done on Friday. No hint of any desire to win the game and they were forced into upping their game after the inevitable goal.

[Tuerto]

You've just said that two of our starting three central midfielders don't have desire in their make up but it isn't an issue.

I think in an area where it is most needed I'd say it is a big issue.

We'll agree to disagree.

Depends why they were brought in to the club and what characteristics were identified as being needed by Morison. Plenty of our fans could never work out why whitts didn't throw himself into tackles, it wasn't part of his game. I'm not comparing whitts ability with either sawyers or ojo, but the point I'm making stands. Anyway, enjoy your evening.

[blue lewj]

Depends why they were brought in to the club and what characteristics were identified as being needed by Morison. Plenty of our fans could never work out why whitts didn't throw himself into tackles, it wasn't part of his game. I'm not comparing whitts ability with either sawyers or ojo, but the point I'm making stands. Anyway, enjoy your evening.

Are you sure you're not comparing Whitts with anything we have now? It certainly sounds like it.

I am not talking about past teams or players I am talking about the team. The one that started today. The one that hasn't shown up a fair few times this season.

I think we need desire in the middle. Not two lads plodding about like it is a friendly.

[Dorcus]

Depends why they were brought in to the club and what characteristics were identified as being needed by Morison. Plenty of our fans could never work out why whitts didn't throw himself into tackles, it wasn't part of his game. I'm not comparing whitts ability with either sawyers or ojo, but the point I'm making stands. Anyway, enjoy your evening.

In my opinion it was a massive mistake bringing Ojo back. I'd be happy if that was the last game we see him play.

Agreed we haven't got enough of the overall quality to compete with most in the division but I think Lamouchi shot himself in the foot today by not starting Ralls and taking Philogene off too early.

With a different starting line up and a bit more organisation and motivation from the manager we might have at least got a point today. This wasn't one of Lamouchi's better games.

[Llandaff Blue]

If Ojo and Wickham never play for us again I'd be delighted

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

What a weak and pathetic squad we have

Sabri showed today though he certainly isn't the messiah

However when very few or any of our players would get in other squads in this division he's clearly limited by what he can do

2 wins will do it but we are just as likely to screw it up

Bunch of shithouses

[rich munn]

We are poor, but we aren't getting screwed, we weren't today, and had enough of the ball to do something positive with it, Sunderland were better in midfield in terms of stretching the play a bit and controlling the ball, but they weren't great either. The goal we conceded was awful all round, Ng getting too square on, and the wall braking up, and Alsops hand not being strong enough, but the rub for me is that there was no quality from us, not an ounce, not one player had the ability to do something even close to special in order to get that vital goal, it just wasn't there. Hopeful punts, stretched shots, no movement around the box and no creativity in midfield. Someone has to come up with the goods in a game like today, just for a few seconds, and it would have made all the difference.

We have needed a Barry Bannan or an Alex Pritchard for several seasons. Lamouchi plays Sawyers for that reason but he is not a busy player. Either of those 2 or Chair from QPR run every game against us.

Very poor today, deserved and got nothing, and I am an optimist. Nothing good to see.

[City123]

Hopefully Birmingham get a points deduction...

[rich munn]

It was out of character, doing something he’d never done before. Sawyers has been a very good Championship midfielder and through his career has played with character and bravery - he’s like Steve McPhail whose name has been mentioned in this thread in that he wanted to get on the ball and play even when things were not going well for his team, that takes character and bravery in my book.That said, he’s struggling again lately after doing well when Lamouchi first came here.

You won’t get an argument from me about Ojo though, I’m afraid I’ve given up on him after our last two home games.

Good post Bob.

[blue lewj]

Depends why they were brought in to the club and what characteristics were identified as being needed by Morison. Plenty of our fans could never work out why whitts didn't throw himself into tackles, it wasn't part of his game. I'm not comparing whitts ability with either sawyers or ojo, but the point I'm making stands. Anyway, enjoy your evening.

Have a look at Lamouchi's post match comments.

He certainly feels we need more character.

[dembethewarrior]

Hopefully Birmingham get a points deduction...

[KingOfSiamIAm]

did ng just hit the side net from a corner...

Fair play on him, he did practice that exact same corner routine just before the players leave the pitch after the pre-match warm up.

It takes a special bit of skill and technique to recreate the exact same result during the pressure of a match in progress.

[KingOfSiamIAm]

As the game progressed, the remarks you make were my thoughts exactly. And regarding the non-corner taker… I said to my Grandson that it looks like they were waiting for Joe Ralls to take it (obviously he was sat on the bench at the time).

[Alfresco]

I would like to know what tactics the management employed today. What was the game plan? What ever it was it was a complete and utter disaster. Biggest load of crap I've witnessed since the Jack game.

[City123]

As the game progressed, the remarks you make were my thoughts exactly. And regarding the non-corner taker… I said to my Grandson that it looks like they were waiting for Joe Ralls to take it (obviously he was sat on the bench at the time).

Thought Ralls was good when he came on today, certainly added urgency and took on responsibility, something that was lacking for much of the game

[Bobby Dandruff]

We have needed a Barry Bannan or an Alex Pritchard for several seasons. Lamouchi plays Sawyers for that reason but he is not a busy player. Either of those 2 or Chair from QPR run every game against us.

Very poor today, deserved and got nothing, and I am an optimist. Nothing good to see.

You are right. I have noticed that too: those sorts of players always do well against us :-(

[BLUETIT]

Ojo is shite, end of thread

[UNDERHILL1927]

Ojo is shite, end of thread

TIT, I will have to agree. I have given him the benefit of the doubt but he’s poor. Sadly for us he’s not the only one by a long shot.

[Dave Blue]

I would like to know what tactics the management employed today. What was the game plan? What ever it was it was a complete and utter disaster. Biggest load of crap I've witnessed since the Jack game.

That was a week ago.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Fine, that's your shout. I don't agree with you. The work rate is there, the willingness is there, the quality and ability isn't unfortunately.

I agree. We tried to win a game with Ralls, Rino and Wintle in the middle. The first two can’t pass, and Wintle isn’t going to open sides up. They’re all trying, they’re just not up to it.

That being said, it was so odd to see him go away from the Blackpool side. Just doesn’t make sense. It is even more curious he brought on Simpson over Ralls.

[dembethewarrior]

I agree. We tried to win a game with Ralls, Rino and Wintle in the middle. The first two can’t pass, and Wintle isn’t going to open sides up. They’re all trying, they’re just not up to it.

That being said, it was so odd to see him go away from the Blackpool side. Just doesn’t make sense. It is even more curious he brought on Simpson over Ralls.

Ralls had a fitness issue according to his post match conference.