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I'm not so sure now but goodness knows what decent manager would come here. It just all feels so gloomy.
Lamouchi seemed clueless on Saturday both in terms of initial team selection and tactical nous. I'm not even sure he's properly able to guage the true calibre of individual players.
We've been dealt a bad hand by the board and successive managers for a long time now but I'm not particularly impressed by Lamouchi and don't expect any revival under his leadership.
Exactly.Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo
Do people think he sent Ojo out with the orders "be absolutely crap mate, oh and don't show you can be @rsed either".
The players are the problem. The players are here because people that the board picked assembled a crap squad with no experience and no money.
We gambled and it has gone wrong big time.
If hed started Simpson LWB your right he probably would have. But he started Romeo then moved Ojo to LWB then tried Simpson.
The midfield was a disaster with Sawyers totally anonymous. Wickham was shocking.
By the end we just thrown bodies on and it seemed hope for the best.
He was all over the place tactically. Our first corner was embarrassing nobody seemed to have a clue who was supposed to take it. It seemes they were all wondering where Ralls was.
Lamouchi and his staff are as much to blame as the players for that display yesterday.
No but Sunderland were a small side. Id expect him to have worked on set plays and somebody know who was supposed to be on feckin corners.
The biggest laugh in all of this is that many of the same people who shot down any mention of a visible protest against Tan and the way the club is run are now publicly slating the manager after 12 games in charge.
Let's just keep sacking managers and hope it all works itself out!
Set plays have been crap ever since we decided to get rid of all the players who were decent on set plays.
Unfathomable that. You get rid of players that are good at something, bring in ones that aren't good and you're no longer good at that thing.
I havent seen one person mention sacking the manager.
I don’t disagree but it would have been a brave manager to leave out Swayers and Wickham after the Blackpool game. Players have bad games, managers pick wrong teams. It happens, always has always will.
I can see why he started with who he did and why he changed it as well. Bad day at the office all round but personally I like him as a manager and would like him to stay. I don’t think this squad is anything like what he would want but he’s trying things to try and make it work, sometimes it has, others it hasn’t.
That's what we do as a club though.
Seems the fan base who turn on a manager after 12 games is very much in line with Tan on this too.
Even you cant blame Tan for us winning a corner and there being a wait as nobody knew who was supposed to be taking it.
Yesterday was a new low for set pieces.
If we're bagging Lamouchi then who picked Lamouchi?
It wasn't me.
The club took an age to get the man they'd looked into and took their time to get. If Lamouchi isn't good enough then whose fault is that?
Lamouchi's? The club for picking the wrong man on the back of Morison and Hudson?
Yes of course, does anyone think that Dalman and Tan could get a better one?
He's just about the best they've picked but he was given a terrible hand.
Exactly this.
Who would come here to work under these.
It is like a circus to everybody looking in.
I don't know if picking Bagan would have made a huge difference, but it would have been better than seeing our manager tie himself up in tactical knots for the first thirty five minutes to such an extent that he had to bring on a centreback for winger/attacker to, partially, sort out the mess he'd got himself in.
Blaming this one on Tan isn't going to work. Bagan has played thirty odd times in the position, scoring three times. Ignoring him completely is nothing whatsoever to do with Tan,
Or ignoring Colwill. Ralls didnt look like he was struggling with an injury either.
I blame the whole situation on Tan and the board.
I'll tell you why this is on Tan.
Tan hires and fires the members of the board. He could sweep the decks this morning if he wanted. He doesn't choose to. We can only assume then that he is happy with the personnel on the board.
Tan and the board picked Steve Morison. He wasn't forced upon us. The club actively installed him as a manager. The man they employed in that role to take the club forward. They then gave him a very low budget. Nobody else did, the owner and board set that budget.
Now depending what you read there also seems to be a transfer committee in place, overseen by Tan. Whatever you believe virtually every signing needs the green light from Tan.
The board along with Steve Morison then cleared what they could of the playing squad and set about signing freebies, loans and cheaper alternatives with a lower wage bill.
They then saw fit to sack their pick as manager in Morison and employ another manager with virtually no experience to move the club on. Hudson had his work cut out.
After this failed they then employ what I believe is a better manager than the previous two. Not a world beater but better.
This is why I think it is very much on Tan and the board than Sabri Lamouchi not picking Bagan. Funnily enough a player the previous two didn't fancy to any great degree either.
Totally agree
The thing that is curious is that all three managers this season have ignored Bagan, is there a reason for this?
And that is it for me. Have all these managers had it in for him or is it simply that he isn't that good?
I look forward to see Jack Simpson running down the left , cutting in beating his man and curling in a perfect shot with his weaker foot.
Do you think managers are now leaving out obviously better players and playing lesser ones?
Three in a row have apparently not fancied Bagan now? If he was clearly the better option would we not have seen more of him?
Maybe but hes not had a chance.
Were you there yesterday.? (Only asking as if you weren't you may not have witnessed properly the question below)
What did you think of that first corner when nobody seemed to know who was taking it.?
Thats not Vincent Tans fault. Its the managers job to make sure players know their roles.
Did you think Philogene should have been subbed after 30 minutes?
It isn't great that nobody knows who is taking the corner.
They're grown men though, not 5 year olds.
I think Philogene is easily our most creative player. I'd play him in an advanced role, possibly just behind the front two if fit. I don't see the lad in training every day.
Tan could sack every employee at the club tomorrow and replace them. He and his board picked the manager who assembled the squad. Of course it is on Tan if that doesn't work.
If you had a leak in the bathroom and employed somebody with no experience in plumbing and he made it ten times worse would that be your fault or the sap who had tried to fix it?
I'll turn this the other way. If it isn't Tan at fault for creating this situation then who is it?
Do you think Morison was good enough and was given enough cash? Hudson? Do you think Lamouchi should have us murdering teams at home with this squad and starting eleven?
Tan and the board picked all three of them might I add.
I dont disagree with any of the points about the running of the club apart from im glad Morison wasnt given more cash.
However while I think we are a bottom 6 squad we are still in with a fighting chance of staying up. Yesterday he got just about everything wrong.
He could well have done.
You don't know what the state of the squad was after Blackpool on Friday though. Quite a few are dropping like flies, the squad as a whole might not be too clever fitness wise.
Morison not getting more cash is the silver lining of that particular cloud. Celebrate the small wins.
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