Are we still under the embargo?

[Carl Dale's Mole]

Because I don’t see us on here:

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/embargoes/

[Armitage Shanks]

I bet someone will come on here now and refute this with evidence.
Good spot and fingers crossed something has happened behind the scenes

[North Cardiff Blue]

Because I don’t see us on here:

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/embargoes/

Nice one fingers crossed.

[OurManFlint II]

Because I don’t see us on here:

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/embargoes/

I like Burnleys solution, just get promoted out of the EFL

[Former Labour leader]

We haven't been shown on the efl list of shame since it was partially lifted. Dont think it alters fact that we are under a partial embargo because we paid Nantes late.

[Cleve van Leef]

Isn’t it the FIFA embargo we are under?

[Former Labour leader]

Isn’t it the FIFA embargo we are under?

No. Just this partial EFL one.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Yes. We can’t spend any money.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

We haven't been shown on the efl list of shame since it was partially lifted.

You're right. It's weird. I'm sure they've made up this partial embargo rule just for us!

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

Sheffield United have just had their embargo lifted. They'd been under it since January, so more than 30 days, and it was for the same rule breach as us, so presumably they'll be under the same partial embargo as us (which I think was explained at the time as being because we'd been under embargo for more than 30 days). If not, what's the difference?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/65340594.amp

[Rjk]

Sheffield United have just had their embargo lifted. They'd been under it since January, so more than 30 days, and it was for the same rule breach as us, so presumably they'll be under the same partial embargo as us (which I think was explained at the time as being because we'd been under embargo for more than 30 days). If not, what's the difference?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/65340594.amp

Will it apply in the premier league?

[The Lone Gunman]

If not, what's the difference?

If City are under an embargo (and nobody at the club has bothered to tell us, while the useless clowns in the local media haven't even bothered to ask), is it perhaps because only the first installment of the Sala fee has been paid? He was signed in January 2019, so no doubt the other two installments are now long overdue.

It's ridiculous, though. High time the club and the EFL for that matter told us what the situation is.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

Will it apply in the premier league?

That could be a get out for them I guess. Stupid if that's the case - harsher penalty for one club than another just because one doesn't get promoted.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

If City are under an embargo (and nobody at the club has bothered to tell us, while the useless clowns in the local media haven't even bothered to ask), is it perhaps because only the first installment of the Sala fee has been paid? He was signed in January 2019, so no doubt the other two installments are now long overdue.

It's ridiculous, though. High time the club and the EFL for that matter told us what the situation is.

Could be to do with that.
Completely agree, we should have a definitive answer from both of them on exactly what the situation is and why.

[Rjk]

If City are under an embargo (and nobody at the club has bothered to tell us, while the useless clowns in the local media haven't even bothered to ask), is it perhaps because only the first installment of the Sala fee has been paid? He was signed in January 2019, so no doubt the other two installments are now long overdue.

It's ridiculous, though. High time the club and the EFL for that matter told us what the situation is.

As per the original agreement, instalments 2 and 3 were due in January 2020 and 2021 respectively - so both overdue, unless we have agreed a new timetable for payment with Nantes.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

This is the rule that's being applied to us by the look of it:

52.6 ...where any Club defaults on payment of any amounts:

52.6.1 due to any other Club (or club) (including but not limited to any Transfer Fee, Compensation Fee, Loan Fee, other contributions due pursuant to the terms of any Temporary Loan Transfer, or any subsequent payments which become due under the terms of any original transfer(s), ticket monies, or other payments pursuant to the terms of any other agreement); and/or

52.6.2 covered by Article 48.1.5 (football creditor claims of full time or former full time employees for arrears of remuneration due up to the date of termination of employment),

for a period of 30 days (whether one default of 30 days, or a number of individual defaults which when taken together amount to 30 days) or more in any 12 month period (1 July to 30 June) (‘Persistent Default’) then that Club shall not be permitted to pay or commit to pay any Transfer Fee, Compensation Fee or Loan Fee or any other form of payment (other than a sell on fee) in respect of the registration of any Player during the period:

(a) commencing on the date on which the Persistent Default occurred; and

(b) ending at the end of the next following Season.


So, looks like it's an established rule, which the EFL have applied as soon as the FIFA embargo was lifted. It's because we defaulted by 30 days, not because we were under embargo for 30 days. Not technically an embargo now, which must be why we were removed from the list.

It won't apply to Sheffield United, assuming they go up, as the EFL has no jurisdiction over the Premier League. Lucky them!

[BlueArmy 86]

"Lamouchi, meantime, says Cardiff will attempt to sign Sory Kaba on a permanent basis this summer if they avoid relegation."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65347869

[Rjk]

This is the rule that's being applied to us by the look of it:

52.6 ...where any Club defaults on payment of any amounts:

52.6.1 due to any other Club (or club) (including but not limited to any Transfer Fee, Compensation Fee, Loan Fee, other contributions due pursuant to the terms of any Temporary Loan Transfer, or any subsequent payments which become due under the terms of any original transfer(s), ticket monies, or other payments pursuant to the terms of any other agreement); and/or

52.6.2 covered by Article 48.1.5 (football creditor claims of full time or former full time employees for arrears of remuneration due up to the date of termination of employment),

for a period of 30 days (whether one default of 30 days, or a number of individual defaults which when taken together amount to 30 days) or more in any 12 month period (1 July to 30 June) (‘Persistent Default’) then that Club shall not be permitted to pay or commit to pay any Transfer Fee, Compensation Fee or Loan Fee or any other form of payment (other than a sell on fee) in respect of the registration of any Player during the period:

(a) commencing on the date on which the Persistent Default occurred; and

(b) ending at the end of the next following Season.


So, looks like it's an established rule, which the EFL have applied as soon as the FIFA embargo was lifted. It's because we defaulted by 30 days, not because we were under embargo for 30 days. Not technically an embargo now, which must be why we were removed from the list.

It won't apply to Sheffield United, assuming they go up, as the EFL has no jurisdiction over the Premier League. Lucky them!

Should that apply if we were part of an ongoing legal dispute about it? I guess it is intended to stop brinkmanship with payments, but that isn't the case with this one I don't think

[Carl Dale's Mole]

Either way, it is ****ing insane that we have to try and figure it out ourselves.

[Former Labour leader]

Should that apply if we were part of an ongoing legal dispute about it? I guess it is intended to stop brinkmanship with payments, but that isn't the case with this one I don't think

Dalman talked about the situation at the time and hence the reason for the appeal. EFL have used a rule which City argue doesnt apply to us. Fingers crossed they relent.
Additionally there was appeal in the Swiss Courts which was due to be heard, as I recall, at the end of March. Wonder what is happening there?

[The Hooded Claw]

Can we engage in player swaps? That way, we could look at singing Kaba.

[Rjk]

Can we engage in player swaps? That way, we could look at singing Kaba.

if we've got anyone that Midtjyland would want, and would be happy to go there

[2b2bdoo]

Can we engage in player swaps? That way, we could look at singing Kaba.

I guess there could be player swaps or loan swaps, or sales including a loan of someone else from the team buying. It’s going to be hard work for whoever the manager that’s for sure.

[splott parker]

Can we engage in player swaps? That way, we could look at singing Kaba.

Shouldn’t this be in the Chant for Kaba thread

[jeepster]

Shouldn’t this be in the Chant for Kaba thread