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    Mark Harris offered a new deal. Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Mark Harris offered a new deal. Why?
    Not saying anything about his ability, he would have been defined as a home grown player or whatever it's called. Is there still a minimum number of home grown and/or developed players to include?

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    Personally I would have kept Phillips, I think he’s better than the other 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    Personally I would have kept Phillips, I think he’s better than the other 2
    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    Personally I would have kept Phillips, I think he’s better than the other 2
    Maybe slightly better but not by much, giving him a new deal would mean we have 3 very average keepers on the books. We need better.

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    How much say has Bulut had in this retained list?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    How much say has Bulut had in this retained list?
    Very little i would have thought, unless he's been watching a load of video recordings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Very little i would have thought, unless he's been watching a load of video recordings.
    I was even thinking he's had no say at all, as it was all done and dusted before he was appointed. That's a bit of a shambles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    I was even thinking he's had no say at all, as it was all done and dusted before he was appointed. That's a bit of a shambles.
    Very likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Mark Harris offered a new deal. Why?
    Don’t get the hate for Mark Harris

    Let’s see how he does with a target man.

    He was doing everything on his own before.

    Good luck to Tom Sang

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    Don’t get the hate for Mark Harris

    Let’s see how he does with a target man.

    He was doing everything on his own before.

    Good luck to Tom Sang
    I don't hate Harris, why would i? I just thing that he's very limited and offers very little in attack, he's not a goalscorer or a link up player of any sort. Haven't we seen enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    I don't hate Harris, why would i? I just thing that he's very limited and offers very little in attack, he's not a goalscorer or a link up player of any sort. Haven't we seen enough?
    Yeah, but he runs around a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    Don’t get the hate for Mark Harris

    Let’s see how he does with a target man.

    He was doing everything on his own before.

    Good luck to Tom Sang
    Agree with this. He has pace, works hard, but is not a natural goal scorer. Every squad needs his like. He reminds me a bit of Cohen Griffith

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianAlston View Post
    Agree with this. He has pace, works hard, but is not a natural goal scorer. Every squad needs his like. He reminds me a bit of Cohen Griffith
    in fairness Cohen Griffith would have been out of his depth at this level too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    in fairness Cohen Griffith would have been out of his depth at this level too
    Good answer

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianAlston View Post
    Agree with this. He has pace, works hard, but is not a natural goal scorer. Every squad needs his like. He reminds me a bit of Cohen Griffith
    I think more a poor man's Danny Ward. Ward was a competent finisher who prospered when games opened up an defences were stretched and tired but as a starter rarely made a huge impression. Harris runs the channels and pressures defences but not sure he opens them up. An asset if you are 1-0 up with 20 to go but not sure he changes much when, more often than not, we are one down at home as he doesn't have the technical skills to make a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianAlston View Post
    Agree with this. He has pace, works hard, but is not a natural goal scorer. Every squad needs his like. He reminds me a bit of Cohen Griffith
    More like Derrek Showers.

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    If Bulut likes to press in the opposition half or final third as most places seem to suggest Harris is a fine squad player. He's just never a out and out striker or a goal scorer like he's had to try to be at times in the past 18 months due to our questionable squad building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Bluebird View Post
    If Bulut likes to press in the opposition half or final third as most places seem to suggest Harris is a fine squad player.
    Fine? By Championship standards (which seem to be getting worse), I'd say he's a bang average squad player at best.

    Harris is 25 later this year. He's not some raw teenager. I'll be amazed if he improves significantly at any stage. Of course, it's not beyond the realms of possibility, but I just can't see it. The fact that he's been offered a new contract does not inspire confidence for what lies ahead.

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    Harris looks overawed, runs about a bit usually to no avail. Worrying, really that he’s a squad regular given his ability.

  22. #22

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    Think Jones, MacNamara and Pritchard are a little unlucky to be released by the under 21s. As for the seniors, no surprises for me, still think Harris can be a Championship standard forward, Bagan was treated poorly last season and King seemed to have benefitted from his time at Crewe even if his form tailed off somewhat towards the end of it.

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    Thought Pritchard was a decent prospect, also wasn't Leahy at one time pretty well regarded- seemed to be pretty noticeable when I was able to watch the u21s towards the end of last season and at the start of this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Think Jones, MacNamara and Pritchard are a little unlucky to be released by the under 21s. As for the seniors, no surprises for me, still think Harris can be a Championship standard forward, Bagan was treated poorly last season and King seemed to have benefitted from his time at Crewe even if his form tailed off somewhat towards the end of it.
    What makes you think Harris can develop into a championship level forward? He's played 95 games for us in all competitions Bob, i haven't seen all of those games, but what does he have that can make a difference, because as a forward, he has to have that on times. I can't see it, although i can understand why people like him. He works very hard and his best asset in my opinion is his short runs across the line of defenders, but all so often he's reactive, like the rest of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    What makes you think Harris can develop into a championship level forward? He's played 95 games for us in all competitions Bob, i haven't seen all of those games, but what does he have that can make a difference, because as a forward, he has to have that on times. I can't see it, although i can understand why people like him. He works very hard and his best asset in my opinion is his short runs across the line of defenders, but all so often he's reactive, like the rest of them.
    If you look at the goals he’s scored for us, there’s some good finishes among them and he doesn’t miss too many sitters. Of course, given the low number he’s scored, it all suggests that he doesn’t get many scoring chances and not all of the reason for that is down to others. Like a few others, Harris’ better performances tend to come in away games where he’s been effective as an impact sub at times.

    We’ve not seen Harris, Colwill and Davies playing for a City side that is in the habit of being on the front foot in home games - in fact, remarkably, you could say only Joe Ralls of last season’s squad has been! I think so much about modern day Cardiff City could change for the better if we got back to a position where City teams took the pitch expecting to win at Cardiff City Stadium - Harris and others might look different players to what we’ve become used to seeing if we were able to treat playing at homelike most other teams do.

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