We are going to finish 23rd

[llan bluebird]

But this is about balancing a book rather than odds vs probability.

Unless you are daft enough to follow us you probably haven't been paying attention to Vinny drifting away and paying the second and third installment of the Nantes money, a proper manager turning up, and some decent championship players arriving and those not quite at that level leaving.

There'll be fivers and tenners from south Wales on us at fancy odds, but little elsewhere. 13/8 for Leicester to be promoted seems stingy to me when generally (the stattos on here will prove me wrong :)) at least one of the relegated teams blow up into a mini-crisis and death spiral. I think Southampton will be the team this year, they bought a lot of (too) young players last year who struggled in the premier league but with another year and an easier league will be decent IMO.

I think its going to be very tight top 10

[sneggyblubird]

But this is about balancing a book rather than odds vs probability.

Unless you are daft enough to follow us you probably haven't been paying attention to Vinny drifting away and paying the second and third installment of the Nantes money, a proper manager turning up, and some decent championship players arriving and those not quite at that level leaving.

There'll be fivers and tenners from south Wales on us at fancy odds, but little elsewhere. 13/8 for Leicester to be promoted seems stingy to me when generally (the stattos on here will prove me wrong :)) at least one of the relegated teams blow up into a mini-crisis and death spiral. I think Southampton will be the team this year, they bought a lot of (too) young players last year who struggled in the premier league but with another year and an easier league will be decent IMO.

I think its going to be very tight top 10

I think you're right on the money(poor pun)The same bookies had WBA as a shoe in this time last year if I remember right.Thing is they are guided by money first and foremost together with the perceived wisdom of those who profess to know all.I'd like to think what we are doing this season is under their radar and I'm confident there will be no repeat of last season.

[IanD]

Let's see how many points we've picked up by the end of Ipswich away. Right now, head says bottom quarter. Lots of unknown variables at the moment. Eg Collins at LB regaining form, if indeed he is first choice LB. A leader on the pitch (Ramsey?) is desperately needed, too, as there was no-one directing operations last season like Gunnarson used to do so effectively. This time last year there were three away friendlies which gave an idea of how well (badly) we were going to do. Whilst Portugal was a good test, let's see how we get on v Wycombe and Leeds (forget Colchester...play the nippers). Plus, if we don't beat QPR at home then it could be another long season.

[The Lone Gunman]

The same bookies had WBA as a shoe in this time last year if I remember right.

You don't remember right. Norwich were narrow favourites for promotion last year. West Brom were third in the betting.

[sneggyblubird]

You don't remember right. Norwich were narrow favourites for promotion last year. West Brom were third in the betting.

If Carlsberg did pedantic.

[rich munn]

If Carlsberg did pedantic.

TLG stands at the side with his bucket of cold water, just waiting for any sign of optimism to douse.

It's his way and has been for years.