Cardiff, how nice is our City ?

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The curry mile that exists in some cities could easily be developed in Cardiff its not a case of social engineering

Musically Bristol just has more venues of small to medium size

I have no idea why Bristol has a left of centre alternative scene but it does

Gloucester Road , Stokes Croft etc

Crusties , Vegetarian Cafes , etc

Has Bristols past shaped these areas ?

I don't think so , it just happens

Politically it's a far more radical city than Cardiff , 4 labour MPs and has been that way for some time

Cardiff North may as well be in Surrey its been tory that often

Even Cardiff West went Tory under Thatcher . Can't see that sort of thing in Bristols working class areas .

Cardiff just doesn't seem to be very alternative , radical and in some ways liberal ?

It seems conservative , with a small c

Is there something in stokes croft these days? I used to live on Cheltenham rd and walked up there most days, full of homeless people, hostels, abandoned buildings and drugs 20 years ago….only Lakota was worthy of a visit and that spent more time closed than open.

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Trying to make Cardiff into Bristol isn’t going to happen. Bristol and Cardiff aren’t comparable and have vastly different histories which have contributed to different cultural, social, political, etc communities forming. You can try force things like a bohemian scene, a curry mile or a musical culture but without a legitimate community to prop it up it would just end up tacky and fake. Like an Irish Pub in America with leprechauns on the wall and painted bright green.

Cardiff was practically a village in the early 1800’s with little to no significance. It was the success of the docks in the mid 1800’s and rapid increase in jobs and people that shaped Cardiff into what it is today.

Bristol on the other hand has been a major city in England for centuries and a fairly prosperous one. Ships were sailing from Bristol to America ~300 years before ships left Cardiff with coal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_underground_scene

[Canton Kev]

The curry mile that exists in some cities could easily be developed in Cardiff its not a case of social engineering

Musically Bristol just has more venues of small to medium size

I have no idea why Bristol has a left of centre alternative scene but it does

Gloucester Road , Stokes Croft etc

Crusties , Vegetarian Cafes , etc

Has Bristols past shaped these areas ?

I don't think so , it just happens

Politically it's a far more radical city than Cardiff , 4 labour MPs and has been that way for some time

Cardiff North may as well be in Surrey its been tory that often

Even Cardiff West went Tory under Thatcher . Can't see that sort of thing in Bristols working class areas .

Cardiff just doesn't seem to be very alternative , radical and in some ways liberal ?

It seems conservative , with a small c

So in short Cardiff is a very different city to Bristol

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So in short Cardiff is a very different city to Bristol

How does being different mean that having a chilled out bohemian district isn't possible ?

Did that sort of vibe and alternative lifestyle and liberalism begin in 1830 ?

Plymouth has the St Judes District which is alternative in its own way

The street art , urban music scene and left of centre politics started in the nineties

Not 1890 !

[Dorcus]

Trying to make Cardiff into Bristol isn’t going to happen. Bristol and Cardiff aren’t comparable and have vastly different histories which have contributed to different cultural, social, political, etc communities forming. You can try force things like a bohemian scene, a curry mile or a musical culture but without a legitimate community to prop it up it would just end up tacky and fake. Like an Irish Pub in America with leprechauns on the wall and painted bright green.

Cardiff was practically a village in the early 1800’s with little to no significance. It was the success of the docks in the mid 1800’s and rapid increase in jobs and people that shaped Cardiff into what it is today.

Bristol on the other hand has been a major city in England for centuries and a fairly prosperous one. Ships were sailing from Bristol to America ~300 years before ships left Cardiff with coal.

An enlightened analysis Kev and spot on

[The Bloop]

I thought this was a thread about Cardiff as a city and how nice it is, not a thread about trying to do a like for like comparison with somewhere with 300+ more years history.

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I thought this was a thread about Cardiff as a city and how nice it is, not a thread about trying to do a like for like comparison with somewhere with 300+ more years history.

Threads tend to develop

It's the way it is

By all means talk about how great Cardiff is but there were not many takers first time around

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An enlightened analysis Kev and spot on

So basically Cardiff is a young city so it's crap ?

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I thought this was a thread about Cardiff as a city and how nice it is, not a thread about trying to do a like for like comparison with somewhere with 300+ more years history.

It's been highjack by the Tory from the Tory stronghold of South Wales. We see you.shove your curry mile up yer jacksie, pie and chips R us. Swilled down with a daaaark

[The Bloop]

Threads tend to develop

It's the way it is

By all means talk about how great Cardiff is but there were not many takers first time around

Threads develop, or get hijacked? You were the first to mention Bristol in the 3rd post in the thread. A reply which criticised Cardiff's food, music, transport, development, lack of a beach and have done so throughout the thread.

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Threads develop, or get hijacked? You were the first to mention Bristol in the 3rd post in the thread. A reply which criticised Cardiff's food, music, transport, development, lack of a beach and have done so throughout the thread.

Thats because I don't think Cardiff is a great as people seem to think , for the reasons I outlined

This oh cardiff is a multi cultural oasis thing is trumped by the good and great but tiger bay was flattened , the community dispersed to estates all over the city

But I suppose we have the rugby 🏉

[Dorcus]

So basically Cardiff is a young city so it's crap ?

Oh it's definitely not crap. Much of it is an interesting network of joined up villages.

[Canton Kev]

How does being different mean that having a chilled out bohemian district isn't possible ?

Did that sort of vibe and alternative lifestyle and liberalism begin in 1830 ?

Plymouth has the St Judes District which is alternative in its own way

The street art , urban music scene and left of centre politics started in the nineties

Not 1890 !

A bohemian district is possible if the people of Cardiff want to make it possible.

As you’ve pointed out, Cardiff and it’s citizens are very different to Bristol and the people there, so for whatever reasons a bohemian district hasn’t materialised because there isn’t enough of a want for one.

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A bohemian district is possible if the people of Cardiff want to make it possible.

As you’ve pointed out, Cardiff and it’s citizens are very different to Bristol and the people there, so for whatever reasons a bohemian district hasn’t materialised because there isn’t enough of a want for one.

So that's not a very good advert for Cardiff then ?

Poor music scene , very little alternative politics but we have a great rugby stadium in the city centre where a few times a year people get pissed up watching a sport that is insignificant to most people

Christ

[Heathblue]

So that's not a very good advert for Cardiff then ?

Poor music scene , very little alternative politics but we have a great rugby stadium in the city centre where a few times a year people get pissed up watching a sport that is insignificant to most people

Christ

About 10.05 to 10.20 a Sabbath influence ? on Sabbath bloody Sabbath.

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About 10.05 to 10.20 a Sabbath influence ? on Sabbath bloody Sabbath.

Definitely

Plenty of King Crimson , Yes as well and Genesis Lamb era

He's got a good voice

Bit of a Gabriel copy

[Dorcus]

Newcastle is smaller than Cardiff

Only technically, if Gateshead and other urban clusters are included (which they most certainly are culturally) Newcastle has a concentrated conurbation population of approx 475k as opposed to Cardiff's 360k.

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Only technically, if Gateshead and other urban clusters are included (which they most certainly are culturally) Newcastle has a concentrated conurbation population of approx 475k as opposed to Cardiff's 360k.

The current metro area population of Cardiff in 2023 is 488,000, a 0.62% increase from 2022.

Barry , Penarth ,is within this figure.

I’d argue it’s bigger again than Newcastle and Gateshead if you include Caerphilly some of the towns bordering Cardiff in RCT and the like.

Cardiff Council population for 2023 is getting very close to 400k. The urban population is around 1.3m

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[QUOTE=TWGL1;5446348]The current metro area population of Cardiff in 2023 is 488,000, a 0.62% increase from 2022.

Barry , Penarth ,is within this figure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyneside#Settlements

This is the greater Newcastle urban area

Newcastle , Gateshead, North Tyneside etc

A continual , joined urban area about 9 miles along the river Tyne to the sea

It's one of the uks biggest urban areas and has a population of 800 000

Cardiff doesn't have a metropolitan area really , it's just Cardiff

If you look at a similar map as the above with regard to Cardiff it's 8 miles till you get to Barry , 12 miles till you get to pontypridd and 12 miles to Newport

Clearly these are not part of Cardiffs built up area and are not joined at the hip like Newcastle is joined to Gateshead and North Tyneside

For administrative and investment purposes it's said Cardiff Metro is 1 million people but that includes Newport, Barry , Pontypridd , Caerphilly etc

Which are obviously not thought of as Cardiff by most people down this way

If you go to Newcastle you can tell its a bigger place than Cardiff by its railway station , arts , music and entertainments scene , the fact it has an underground trains system and driving around the place its clearly a big city with lots and lots of districts

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The current metro area population of Cardiff in 2023 is 488,000, a 0.62% increase from 2022.

Barry , Penarth ,is within this figure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyneside#Settlements

This is the greater Newcastle urban area

Newcastle , Gateshead, North Tyneside etc

A continual , joined urban area about 9 miles along the river Tyne to the sea

It's one of the uks biggest urban areas and has a population of 800 000

Cardiff doesn't have a metropolitan area really , it's just Cardiff

If you look at a similar map as the above with regard to Cardiff it's 8 miles till you get to Barry , 12 miles till you get to pontypridd and 12 miles to Newport

Clearly these are not part of Cardiffs built up area and are not joined at the hip like Newcastle is joined to Gateshead and North Tyneside

For administrative and investment purposes it's said Cardiff Metro is 1 million people but that includes Newport, Barry , Pontypridd , Caerphilly etc

Which are obviously not thought of as Cardiff by most people down this way

If you go to Newcastle you can tell its a bigger place than Cardiff by its railway station , arts , music and entertainments scene , the fact it has an underground trains system and driving around the place its clearly a big city with lots and lots of districts

Coincidently, I have family in Whitley Bay. I’ve been going to Newcastle since 1976 and the city itself is considerably smaller than Cardiff.

Just like you say people from Barry and the like are not thought of as Cardiff , the same is definitely said regarding the areas around Newcastle. If you ask anyone from my family in Whitley Bay they definitely will say they are not from Newcastle.

Many of those areas are also full of Sunderland supporters.

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Only technically, if Gateshead and other urban clusters are included (which they most certainly are culturally) Newcastle has a concentrated conurbation population of approx 475k as opposed to Cardiff's 360k.

You said it so much better than me

[Dorcus]

The current metro area population of Cardiff in 2023 is 488,000, a 0.62% increase from 2022.

Barry , Penarth ,is within this figure.

I’d argue it’s bigger again than Newcastle and Gateshead if you include Caerphilly some of the towns bordering Cardiff in RCT and the like.

Cardiff Council population for 2023 is getting very close to 400k. The urban population is around 1.3m

If you included the Rhondda, Powys, Monmouthshire and Llanelli you could increase the urban population twofold but of course it doesn't work like that.

The Newcastle figure is just for its local environs. I can assure you it's population is much greater than Cardiff's.

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If you included the Rhondda, Powys, Monmouthshire and Llanelli you could increase the urban population twofold but of course it doesn't work like that.

The Newcastle figure is just for its local environs. I can assure you it's population is much greater than Cardiff's.

Absolutely Newcastle and its urban area is far bigger than Cardiff and its urban area

[Dorcus]

[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;5446362]

The current metro area population of Cardiff in 2023 is 488,000, a 0.62% increase from 2022.

Barry , Penarth ,is within this figure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyneside#Settlements

This is the greater Newcastle urban area

Newcastle , Gateshead, North Tyneside etc

A continual , joined urban area about 9 miles along the river Tyne to the sea

It's one of the uks biggest urban areas and has a population of 800 000

Cardiff doesn't have a metropolitan area really , it's just Cardiff

If you look at a similar map as the above with regard to Cardiff it's 8 miles till you get to Barry , 12 miles till you get to pontypridd and 12 miles to Newport

Clearly these are not part of Cardiffs built up area and are not joined at the hip like Newcastle is joined to Gateshead and North Tyneside

For administrative and investment purposes it's said Cardiff Metro is 1 million people but that includes Newport, Barry , Pontypridd , Caerphilly etc

Which are obviously not thought of as Cardiff by most people down this way

If you go to Newcastle you can tell its a bigger place than Cardiff by its railway station , arts , music and entertainments scene , the fact it has an underground trains system and driving around the place its clearly a big city with lots and lots of districts

I'm from Caerphilly. I support the City but I don't consider myself a Cardiffian and I don't know anyone up here who does either. We live in a medium sized town totally distinct from Cardiff with a pretty large hill separating the two.

I for one wouldn't want to suggest to people living in Barry that they're actually from Cardiff. At least not to their faces.

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so to sum it up, yes Cardiff is a nice city, it's just a bit small, but sometimes small is good