It's about time the XL Bully was banned.

[North Cardiff Blue]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66770328

Horrible dogs they are basically adapted from pit bulls, but made bigger and more powerful who would want one of those in their house with kids?

I am in total agreement almost every death you here is XL Bully's, as close as Caerphilly we've had deaths of a young 10-year-old boy and an 83-year-old lady, that one was crossed with a massive cross cane corso.

Don't worry about DNA if it looks like a pitbull or XL Bully put it down.

https://news.sky.com/story/xl-bully-...r%22%20version.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2408992.html

[Harry Paget Flashman]

100%

[Divine Wright]

You should be put down in my opinion.

https://dogsmith.com/breedism-by-ian-dunbar/

...not the daily mail so will require a certain level of reading skills, patience and an ability to think.

[North Cardiff Blue]

You should be put down in my opinion.

https://dogsmith.com/breedism-by-ian-dunbar/

...not the daily mail so will require a certain level of reading skills, patience and an ability to think.

Utter rubbish - Certainly, dogs can be dangerous; they frequently bite, very infrequently maim and only extremely rarely, kill people. Certainly, each death is a heart-rending tragedy. But it is nonetheless essential to maintain perspective and to consider the danger of dogs relative to other dangers.

XL Bully dogs have been killing people, do you think if the owner in Caerphilly had a chihuahua the young boy in Caerphilly would have died if it had bitten him?

It's like saying don't ban guns in the UK, teach people to use them responsibly, and get the drug gangs to go gun shooting classes on how to be a lovely citizen.

[dml1954]

Utter rubbish - Certainly, dogs can be dangerous; they frequently bite, very infrequently maim and only extremely rarely, kill people. Certainly, each death is a heart-rending tragedy. But it is nonetheless essential to maintain perspective and to consider the danger of dogs relative to other dangers.

XL Bully dogs have been killing people, do you think if the owner in Caerphilly had a chihuahua the young boy in Caerphilly would have died if it had bitten him?

It's like saying don't ban guns in the UK, teach people to use them responsibly, and get the drug gangs to go gun shooting classes on how to be a lovely citizen.

You are extremely naive and obviously know very little about the subject and yet you put yourself forward as some kind of expert. You deliberately sensationalise a very difficult and sensitive subject, presumably just for your own ‘kicks’. These dogs are not the cause of the problem, it is the way they have been bred and trained by human beings. Any dog can be trained to be savage and aggressive. You comment about the chihuahua is crass - I suggest you let a rabid chihuahua savage you - you might change your mind then. Aggressive dogs can also be retrained and normalised with the right amount of care and attention. I know a number of people who own American bully breeds and they are the most gentle, placid and loving dogs that you could wish to see.One of the main problems with classing any breed of dog as unlawful is that the law is open to interpretation by the people who enforce it, leading to the situation where perfectly placid, normally behaved dogs are taken from their owners for no reason and put down.

[North Cardiff Blue]

You are extremely naive and obviously know very little about the subject and yet you put yourself forward as some kind of expert. You deliberately sensationalise a very difficult and sensitive subject, presumably just for your own ‘kicks’. These dogs are not the cause of the problem, it is the way they have been bred and trained by human beings. Any dog can be trained to be savage and aggressive. You comment about the chihuahua is crass - I suggest you let a rabid chihuahua savage you - you might change your mind then. Aggressive dogs can also be retrained and normalised with the right amount of care and attention. I know a number of people who own American bully breeds and they are the most gentle, placid and loving dogs that you could wish to see.One of the main problems with classing any breed of dog as unlawful is that the law is open to interpretation by the people who enforce it, leading to the situation where perfectly placid, normally behaved dogs are taken from their owners for no reason and put down.

Obviously a lot more than you, Chihauhua dogs don't kill XL bully's do on a regular basis, if not they are attacking and injuring children and other dogs, and that's why they are being banned.

I know a number of people who own American bully breeds and they are the most gentle, placid and loving dogs that you could wish to see. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-west-midlands We must have different views on placid and gentle.

It's common knowledge those dogs are unpredictable and can flip at any time.

[Optimistic Nick]

those dogs are unpredictable and can flip at any time.

And, increasingly likely after the age of about 7. These ****ing idiots who own them saying they are good with kids etc etc.... yeah so are the ones that mauled kids. They are timebombs

[TeesBlue]

https://dogsmith.com/breedism-by-ian-dunbar/

'Whataboutism' at its finest.

[Divine Wright]

'Whataboutism' at its finest.

You don't know what that expression means.

Can we ban cars? because they kill more kids than pitbulls do.

How about banning alcohol. Drunk people kill more people than dogs do.

Basically, what I'm saying is that simple-minded people like the OP would probably ban anything or anyone that he finds don't fit in with his particular world-view. He doesn't consider more sensible measures like controlling breeders, ensuring that dog-owners are qualified to look after a dog properly (regardless of breed). Maybe certain dogs should wear muzzles when in public.

Dog ownership and breeding should be reviewed. Not only to avoid dog attacks, but also for the welfare of the animals.

Seems odd that perfectly well adjusted people are unable to adopt a rescue dog on the one hand, and on the other, total bellends are able to get their hands on dogs like these. Ban idiots from owning dogs.

[North Cardiff Blue]

You don't know what that expression means.

Can we ban cars? because they kill more kids than pitbulls do.

How about banning alcohol. Drunk people kill more people than dogs do.

Basically, what I'm saying is that simple-minded people like the OP would probably ban anything or anyone that he finds don't fit in with his particular world-view. He doesn't consider more sensible measures like controlling breeders, ensuring that dog-owners are qualified to look after a dog properly (regardless of breed). Maybe certain dogs should wear muzzles when in public.

Dog ownership and breeding should be reviewed. Not only to avoid dog attacks, but also for the welfare of the animals.

Seems odd that perfectly well adjusted people are unable to adopt a rescue dog on the one hand, and on the other, total bellends are able to get their hands on dogs like these. Ban idiots from owning dogs.

Of course, I understand all that and agree with other measures also do whatever is needed to make all dog owners more responsible and accountable, but as I've already said these more powerful aggressive pitbull spin-offs are too dangerous to take the risk with. You wouldn't allow the bellends to walk a pet tiger around because it could kill people, the same with untrained XL bully's. Kill off the breed to reduce the chance of young children and elderly people being killed in the future, these are the dogs the bellends want because they are big powerful, and bred to be aggressive and dangerous.

If they crossbreed a new dangerous dog, ban those too.

In this thread alone someone has spotted an out-of-control dangerous XL and reported it to the police, well done Mr Soul 68, you genuinely might have saved some young kid's life.

[Optimistic Nick]

You don't know what that expression means.

Can we ban cars? because they kill more kids than pitbulls do.

How about banning alcohol. Drunk people kill more people than dogs do.

Basically, what I'm saying is that simple-minded people like the OP would probably ban anything or anyone that he finds don't fit in with his particular world-view. He doesn't consider more sensible measures like controlling breeders, ensuring that dog-owners are qualified to look after a dog properly (regardless of breed). Maybe certain dogs should wear muzzles when in public.

Dog ownership and breeding should be reviewed. Not only to avoid dog attacks, but also for the welfare of the animals.

Seems odd that perfectly well adjusted people are unable to adopt a rescue dog on the one hand, and on the other, total bellends are able to get their hands on dogs like these. Ban idiots from owning dogs.

You do realise cars do more than kill people? You should see what water is capable of. What a moronic line of argument.

These dogs are weapons that fire indiscriminately. Idiots are a constant, and I’ve no appetite for eliminating the world of idiots. It’s theirs are much as it is ours. The trick is to limit the damage idiots can do. Obviously banning them owning any sort of dog is sensible, but it doesn’t mean that stopping the supply of aggressive, murderous dogs to anyone pis a bad thing. America has dicked around with a similar thoughts with guns and look where that got them. They are in a mess, and in the early throes of civil war. There is no good reason to own a dog that is trained to bite and hold and at about age 7, has a very strong. tendency to chew on other dogs and children.

Your ideas are not capable of being policed which is why we already have a list of banned breeds. It works. Banning idiots never will. So you can have a world with idiots and guns/bully XLs, or you can have a world with idiots and no guns/bully XLs. A world without idiots is a pipe dream.

[North Cardiff Blue]

You do realise cars do more than kill people? You should see what water is capable of. What a moronic line of argument.

These dogs are weapons that fire indiscriminately. Idiots are a constant, and I’ve no appetite for eliminating the world of idiots. It’s theirs are much as it is ours. The trick is to limit the damage idiots can do. Obviously banning them owning any sort of dog is sensible, but it doesn’t mean that stopping the supply of aggressive, murderous dogs to anyone pis a bad thing. America has dicked around with a similar thoughts with guns and look where that got them. They are in a mess, and in the early throes of civil war. There is no good reason to own a dog that is trained to bite and hold and at about age 7, has a very strong. tendency to chew on other dogs and children.

Your ideas are not capable of being policed which is why we already have a list of banned breeds. It works. Banning idiots never will. So you can have a world with idiots and guns/bully XLs, or you can have a world with idiots and no guns/bully XLs. A world without idiots is a pipe dream.

That's the kind of morons we are dealing with.

A dog breeder openly admitted on LBC that he breeds dangerous XL bully pets for drug dealers so he can "put bread on the table" for his family.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/xl-bully-...ell-iain-dale/

LBC presenter Iain Dale was so incensed after speaking to caller David he told him to "go to hell."

David from Hull rang in to LBC last night and said: “I’m a breeder. I’ve bred many dogs over the years including XL bullies.

"I bred many of them dogs. Some of them I’ve bred in the most beautiful environment have gone on to attack people.

"I know for a fact I’ve bred them very well.

"There’s many breeds of dogs where you get terrible owners however you do not see them attacking people.

"These XL bullies are a different breed, trust me."

He said he bred them because he ‘absolutely loves dogs’ but Iain asked him: “Who were you aiming them at -who did you want to sell them to.”

“Drug dealers, i’ll be absolutely honest Iain.”

“You’ve just admitted you bred them to sell to drug dealers - what kind of person does that make you?” Iain asks.

“Who’s going to put bread on the table for my family. I’ve got six kids,” he said.

Iain replied: “Oh, go to hell David” and ended the call.

The astonishing call to LBC came on the same day an 11-year-old victim of a dog attack in Birmingham told of her terrifying ordeal.

Ana Paun, was attacked by the American bully XL and Staffordshire bull terrier crossbreed puppy in Bordesley Green on Saturday.

She suffered serious injuries to her arm and shoulder, while two other people were also injured after the dog broke free from its collar twice.

Speaking to Sky News on Monday, Ana said: "I got terrified and he jumped on the arm and he bit me.

"I was screaming and I couldn't do anything, the dog kept on staying on my arm."

The schoolgirl told BBC News: "The dog was staring at me and I got scared, so I started to run. And then I never ran that far, I ran like five seconds. So the dog grabbed my hand and he started moving me about.

"Someone grabbed him off my hand, and after he let go of my arm he went on my shoulder and he bit my shoulder as well.

"I was feeling really panicked and I was scared, terrified, I had a lot of emotions. The owner should be more responsible of the dog, because the owner was not doing anything."

Ana's mother said her daughter was taken to hospital in an ambulance and needed around eight stitches.

Speaking at the family home, Monica Paun, 34, told the PA news agency: "She was with her big sister at the shop and the dog attacked.

"She came shouting 'mum'. I am still in shock."

Ana spent a night in hospital after the attack and has been given antibiotics, her mother added.

Ana is now at home recovering after the incident, footage of which was circulated on social media after being filmed by an witness.

No arrests have been made, but West Midlands Police said on Monday that the force will speak to the dog's owner "in due course" as they are in hospital.

"This was an alarming and shocking incident on a busy road in high temperatures and members of the public showed immense courage in tackling such a ferocious dog," a force spokesman said.

The incident prompted Home Secretary Suella Braverman to seek "urgent advice" on whether the breed should be banned.

Downing Street said the Government takes the issue of American bully XL dogs "extremely seriously".

"The footage we saw over the weekend was shocking. I know that the police are investigating that specific incident," the Prime Minister's official spokesman said.

"We take this issue extremely seriously. We have commissioned urgent advice on what steps we can take on dangerous dogs. I think the Home Secretary set that out yesterday. And beyond that immediate work, we do have a number of measures to protect people under the Dangerous Dogs Act."

Speaking during a visit to an east London school, Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer told reporters: "I think there's a strong case for banning this particular breed.

"Anybody who saw footage of what happened is really shocked at what had happened and I think nobody would say that's perfectly acceptable and nothing needs to be done.

"I want to see what the Government is going to put forward. I hope we can do this speedily and constructively."

Adding the bully XL to the banned list is the responsibility of Environment Secretary Therese Coffey's department where, PA understands, there are concerns over the feasibility of the move.

The dog, which is developed from the American pit bull terrier, is not a recognised as a specific breed by the Kennel Club.

It could be hard to define and some fear a ban could inadvertently outlaw a range of other dogs.

Emma Whitfield, whose 10-year-old son Jack Lis, was fatally attacked by a bully XL named Beast in Caerphilly, South Wales, two years ago, criticised the delay in making the dogs illegal.

Writing on X, formerly known as Twitter, Ms Whitfield said: "Where were you when my son was killed? Where were you when other innocent people were killed?

"Where were you when I was at Parliament asking for change? Nowhere.

"If you're going to do something, please do it. Stop pussyfooting around the 'breed neutral' bull crap and do something."

[Mr Soul '68]

It's not so much the dog as the chav scummers that own them. You don't seen a person of relative intelligence owning an XL Bully? They always seemed to be owned by feckwits that can't even wipe their own backsides unless social services are involved. As a dog owner myself (always German Shepherds) it is 99.99% never the dogs fault for an attack but the vermin that owns the said dog.

Currently, close to where I live in Caerphilly there is a chavvie with a grey one. I'm just waiting for it to bite/attack someone. After the rugby match yesterday I was leaving my local in town and happened to pass by this retard with his dog where they were waiting outside a takeway, when the dog jumped up at a several young kids a couple of times as I was passing by. Said chavvie managed to pull the dog back. As I've said though, I'm just waiting to hear about it attacking someone.....

[North Cardiff Blue]

It's not so much the dog as the chav scummers that own them. You don't seen a person of relative intelligence owning an XL Bully? They always seemed to be owned by feckwits that can't even wipe their own backsides unless social services are involved. As a dog owner myself (always German Shepherds) it is 99.99% never the dogs fault for an attack but the vermin that owns the said dog.

Currently, close to where I live in Caerphilly there is a chavvie with a grey one. I'm just waiting for it to bite/attack someone. After the rugby match yesterday I was leaving my local in town and happened to pass by this retard with his dog where they were waiting outside a takeway, when the dog jumped up at a several young kids a couple of times as I was passing by. Said chavvie managed to pull the dog back. As I've said though, I'm just waiting to hear about it attacking someone.....

That happened with the dog that attacked and killed the young boy in Caerphilly, shortly after the fatal attack happened, that dog should definitely be put down it's a matter of time.

Spot on about the idiots that have them, the only way to stop them from having a dog that will kill people is to ban all dogs that can and do kill people.

[Maurice Swan]

Not even open to discussion.....common sense says yes.

[ninian opinian]

It's not so much the dog as the chav scummers that own them. You don't seen a person of relative intelligence owning an XL Bully? They always seemed to be owned by feckwits that can't even wipe their own backsides unless social services are involved. As a dog owner myself (always German Shepherds) it is 99.99% never the dogs fault for an attack but the vermin that owns the said dog.

Currently, close to where I live in Caerphilly there is a chavvie with a grey one. I'm just waiting for it to bite/attack someone. After the rugby match yesterday I was leaving my local in town and happened to pass by this retard with his dog where they were waiting outside a takeway, when the dog jumped up at a several young kids a couple of times as I was passing by. Said chavvie managed to pull the dog back. As I've said though, I'm just waiting to hear about it attacking someone.....

You should report it to the police immediately. The dog that killed the young lad in Penyrheol was filmed a few days before doing the exact same thing only outside shops. They take it very serious in this area.

[North Cardiff Blue]

You should report it to the police immediately. The dog that killed the young lad in Penyrheol was filmed a few days before doing the exact same thing only outside shops. They take it very serious in this area.

These XL Bully aggressive dogs sometimes start by attacking and killing other dogs too, they are totally unpredictable and aggression has been bred into them.

[Mr Soul '68]

You should report it to the police immediately. The dog that killed the young lad in Penyrheol was filmed a few days before doing the exact same thing only outside shops. They take it very serious in this area.

My phone was buried deep in my pocket and by the time I had stopped to get it out, the kids had walked away. I occasionally use that shop/post office where that killer dog was filmed biting someone prior to it killing that poor kiddie.

[Mr Soul '68]

You should report it to the police immediately. The dog that killed the young lad in Penyrheol was filmed a few days before doing the exact same thing only outside shops. They take it very serious in this area.

I have just reported it to the police.

[Rjk]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...United_Kingdom

[BlueArmy 86]

They're evil, get rid!

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

Before open in this thread I was wondering which board member it would refer to.

[Trigger]

Agreed, and if they can also ban the tracksuit wearing chavs that usually parade around with these types of dogs then that's a bonus.

Isn't there some shit leaky boat they can all be sent to.

[sneggyblubird]

Trouble is these dogs are constantly evolving hybrids.By the time they get to ban these dogs the breeders will bread them with 5% of something else and they won't be able to ban them.It ain't that straightforward.Properly licenced breeders and a register of owners with regular check ups for said owners.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Trouble is these dogs are constantly evolving hybrids.By the time they get to ban these dogs the breeders will bread them with 5% of something else and they won't be able to ban them.It ain't that straightforward.Properly licenced breeders and a register of owners with regular check ups for said owners.

They have to keep up with the breeders, I was thinking earlier, what is to stop a Frankenstein dog, Alsation, and Doberman mate, and mate those pups with an XL Bully Cane Corso cross! Something daft like that will happen, but they will quickly have to be banned and put down and the breeders locked up.

The latest trends it maybe a XL Bulloodle.

or a XL Bullshit (XL and Shitzu)