Reply With QuoteOut of interest, have you spoken to any of your councillors yet about how to try to get a 30 limit reinstated?Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
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You'll be evicted from the Tory Party if they get a whiff those are your true sentiments.
Out of interest, have you spoken to any of your councillors yet about how to try to get a 30 limit reinstated?
How embarrassing that the First Minister of Wales has had threats to their own safety off the back of a traffic calming measure. Next time you hear the words 'snowflake' or 'karen' being bandied about lets just remember this incredible dummy spitting by adults who fear being mildly inconvenienced to try and save lives.
So everyone has to support every policy a govt comes up with because a handful of idiots send abusive messages to their political opponents?
Jesus, ffs!
Regional figures as of 24 September.
Including 20k English who are confused which Country they live in. Add multi email addresses/people voting more than once makes me wonder whether the figures are anywhere near accurate.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...eadmore-target https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...eadmore-target
Large number of English residents live on or close to the border between England and Wales but travel daily into and out of Wales, so are entitled to have a say over this issue, which directly affects them. Welsh people who live in England are also fully entitled to a vote. Plus what evidence do you have that there have been large numbers of multi e-mail voters voting more than once or other fraudulent votes ? The only person who has admitted this is a Labour London MP who did it deliberately to try to discredit it. Out of the 436000 current votes, over 416000 are from people in Wales anyway. Anyone who dismisses this petitions votes is as bad as Drakeford and Waters to me. Heads in the sand for purely political reasons because they have made themselves look stupid by introducing a law, without proper consultation, that large numbers of their residents don't agree with. PS. You are seriously barking up the wrong tree if you believe anything Wales Online publish about this issue.
I wish you all the best with coping with MND. I had an elderly friend some years ago with the same condition and he saw much humour in his situation. Not sure I could do that.
I'm going to change the angle of the conversation for a moment. If the whole reason for dropping the default speed limit to 20mph is to prevent more serious injuries, why aren't the Welsh Government looking at other roads and other speed limits? Why has there been no target of known problem areas? Drakeford has confirmed the WG aren't looking at other speed limits.
I did a speed awareness course and the purpose of it was to shock. Nicky Campbell hosted the 20mph limit on his show recently and his response whenever someone talked of the 20mph speed limit as nonsense was to present someone who had lost someone as a result of a road accident. That doesn't get anyone anywhere.
If the whole thing was about reducing casualties etc, the WG would be looking at more than just reducing 30mph speed limits to 20. They could look at sporting activities and what isn't safe there. I bet you could make savings with the NHS by modifying rules in sports like rugby. Football has considered limiting headers in training, for example.
There are so many things that can be done to help prevent people being seriously injured in all walks of life, far beyond targeting 30mph limits.
Another overreaction. Of course not, bit worrying though that the debate about traffic has got that toxic. Politics is in the absolute gutter at the moment.
The interesting question with this one for me though is who is handing out the pitchforks ?
Where did he say that? And the messages were threatening, as well as abuive. Love how you play things down jimbo.
So theres more people on the english side of the border signed than in each welsh constituency 20k of them.plus people who have signed more than once like eric the bee.we are looking at maybe 300000 .still a lot mind.
Ynys Môn 7328
Arfon 3578
Aberconwy 8145
Clwyd West 12140
Vale of Clwyd 11913
Delyn 12361
Deeside 14896
Wrexham 11621
Clwyd South 10448
Dwyfor Meirionydd 4386
Montgomeryshire 3757
Ceredigion 4937
Preseli Pembs 6826
Carms East 9694
Carms West and south Pembs 7464
Llanelli 10584
Gower 11992
Swansea West 9020
Swansea East 10072
Neath 10377
Aberavon 8234
Bridgend 9193
Rhondda 10072
Cynon Valley 8308
Cardiff West 10096
Cardiff Central 6591
Monmouthshire 6566
Caerphilly 11587
Islwyn 10469
Torfaen 9373
Blaenau Gwent 7104
Newport West 10661
Newport East 8516
Brecon and Radnorshire 4936
Cardiff North 11603
Cardiff South 12201
Merthyr 7560
Ogmore 9680
Pontypridd 10095
Vale of Glamorgan 13900
Agree, political debate is in the gutter
Not playing it down at all. I am frequently calling out abusive or threatening language related to politics on here. Are you?
But it doesn't matter what the topic is. It's always wrong
The ironic thing though is that there is more fuss with this 20mph rule ( it’s a good thing if it’s around built up residential areas ) than there was when he overreached with his needless Covid restrictions. Strange times indeed.
In the last 2 Weeks I’ve not met one person in agreement with the changes.
Most are incredibly pissed off with it and some are ignoring it.
Trying to justify it because you are in favour of Drakeford or The Senydd seems nuts to me.
If you want greater safety, start with the anti social wankers doing wheelies and zipping in and out of traffic, off the main roads.
I've met a few people in favour, a few very vocally against and the majority of people not really bothered either way. it really doesn't make much difference to anyone day to day
You need to meet up with people who are busy and drive a lot, not dodderers who love holding everyone up
These things can be hard to judge as our own prejudices do come into play in terms of how we ask the question, but I think your experience is probably close to the truth.
I've tended to find people pretty frustrated by it and just find it daft, or ignore it. Some people claim to love it, but it seems a little early to say that and it contradicts my observation that most seem to ignore it. One guy in work is a very enthusiastic supporter but he is outnumbered significantly by people who don't like it. Most as you say aren't hugely bothered for one reason or another.
Interesting to see a bus company now come out and present the problems it's causing
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...aking-27793032
Personally, as I've said from the beginning, I think 20mph is appropriate and sensible in most residential settings but the wide suburban roads that connect communities etc absolutely can be driven safely at 30mph. It's a nonsense they are included in this and I suspect in due course they will be reversed.
Agreed they will eventually reverse the suburban connecting roads they'll have to they don't want people to vote against them for a daft mistake.
Until then ignore them like the stupid covid rules, don't let the buzzards grind you down.
I use the Cwmbran to cardiff stagecoach bus reguarly.A couple of minutes late.But owing to the excellent bus lanes in Cardiff hardly noticeable.I use the Cwmbran to cardiff stagecoach bus reguarly.A couple of minutes late. But owing to the excellent bus lanes in Cardiff hardly noticeable.
20 mph think wildlife.
On a positive I had a pissed off cyclist behind me today who just couldnt quite get past me in a 20 zone.🤣🤣🤣
So says the bloke commenting on a social media site about other people not having anything better to do than comment on social media sites. Plus, insulting over 400000 Welsh residents as having ‘not much going on upstairs’ is a bit of a sweeping statement and indicative of a lack of a bit of the old grey matter on your behalf. Typical Labour posturing and ranting when something starts to go badly wrong. Trying to defend this idiotic policy is more akin to polishing a turd.
20 mph speed limits have seemingly little impact on crashes, casualties or driver speed according to a three year study.
https://www.qub.ac.uk/News/Allnews/2...t-crashes.html
Marvelous, all that money, all that wasted time, all that pissing off the entire nation, all those arguments, all for nothing.
Well done Drakeford, one of your best achievements to date!
And the same researcher's study in Edinburgh found that deaths were cut by a quarter and injuries by a third.
https://www.ed.ac.uk/news/2022/slowi...s-by-a-quarter
"The Belfast scheme, which was restricted to city centre streets, led to a 2 per cent drop in casualties and collisions, and minor reductions.
Researchers say results reflect the scheme’s narrower reach and its implementation in an area where traffic speeds were already low prior to the trial – on average less than 20mph"
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