20mph online petition

[Hilts]

What will the Dictator have to say about these figures then? Thought they were all from England?

Its obviously a significant petition. But you dont seriously believe 380,000 different people from Wales have voted.

[Hilts]

There was a March in Cardiff today. Apparently 200 turned up.

Really needed it to be in the 1000s.

For some bizarre reason they were outside the museum.

[Tuerto]

There was a March in Cardiff today. Apparently 200 turned up.

Really needed it to be in the 1000s.

For some bizarre reason they were outside the museum.

It's an easy mistake to make......

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

Its obviously a significant petition. But you dont seriously believe 380,000 different people from Wales have voted.

What evidence do you have that they haven't?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

God man, stop talking about Thatcher. You sound like those blokes down City who still moan about losing Toshack.

Social care is devolved. End of. There's a history to everything but its ultimately under the control of the Welsh Govt. It's tempting to live in the past, we would all be younger that way at least, but it's a pointless exercise

You and you tory boys are responsible

You won't lose any sleep about it but it's got feck all to do with me

Privatisation of care , housing , utilities , rail

All a fecking shambles

But care is the worst example of the free market cannibalism

And it's your fault

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

Made an 80 mile Journey today.

I reckon the 20mph limit added seconds to my overall Journey not even minutes. One of the roads coming out of RCT I was suprised to see still at 30. If your not happy lobby the council.

Or petition the Senedd. Which is of course what people are doing.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

There was a March in Cardiff today. Apparently 200 turned up.

Really needed it to be in the 1000s.

For some bizarre reason they were outside the museum.

People have moaned about this stupid speed limit and I agree it's daft but if it was that much of a hassle there would be thousands of people protesting

And maybe doing a mass sit in to block the city

Or block the roads outside the Welsh assembly

Direct action and all that ?

Most like a good moan and then just go to bed

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Or petition the Senedd. Which is of course what people are doing.

That's not going to do much although it's a start

Drive down there and block them all in etc

[North Cardiff Blue]

402,799 people can't be wrong

https://petitions.senedd.wales/petit..._ghzXUbI5QtPSE

[poc]

402,799 people can't be wrong

[North Cardiff Blue]

People are complaining about care services in Wales, which is shocking to be fair.


And then happy with the money being wasted on 20mph instead which is totally unnecessary, you couldn't make it up!

[North Cardiff Blue]

I'm going to hop onto my soap box here and this is what I think is the crux of the matter.

Roads. What are they there for? In terms of usage, they are used mainly by vehicles; cars, buses, lorries, taxis etc, things with engines. Occasionally cyclists will use them, though the number of cyclists is very low compared with the rest. Pedestrians don't really use them, they use pavements but will also have to cross these roads from time to time.

So, given the frequency of what uses roads the most, shouldn't they be geared to making sure traffic moves smoothly and safely?

Roads are unsafe places. If I got run over I'd have either been run over by a lunatic who wasn't driving properly, or I'd have made a huge error of judgement. In 45 years I haven't been run over. Virtually all of my friends have never been run over, either. I reckon most people who are run over by a car have only themselves to blame, unless there's obvious fault on the side of the driver. The closest I ever got to running someone over was in Tonypandy - a guy walked out almost straight in front of me looking at his phone, oblivious of anything. If I'd have knocked him over I would have felt absolutely awful, but it would never have been my fault. Years ago my dad ran over a pedestrian on a motorway - he was suicidal and did it to end his life; there was never any blame attached to my dad, but he had to attend inquests and all sorts. Horrible for him and he considered quitting a career he'd spent his life doing and was really good at.

I have yet to hear from anyone that they object to 20mph limits in side streets, where there are schools and so on. At the moment we have lots of 20mph sections of road where there's no logical reason to do so. Main roads need to move traffic onwards. People have to get somewhere. Sadly the way things work in the UK means that people often have less time to do things than ever before.

Education is far better than ever before. Youngsters know the dangers of roads better than in my generation. Casualties, deaths etc on roads keep falling year by year.

Very sensible spot on can't disagree with any of that.

Why would people be happy for money to be wasted in this way, rather than spend the money on important services instead such as care or the NHS?

[pipster]

People have moaned about this stupid speed limit and I agree it's daft but if it was that much of a hassle there would be thousands of people protesting

And maybe doing a mass sit in to block the city

Or block the roads outside the Welsh assembly

Direct action and all that ?

Most like a good moan and then just go to bed

Most people cant be arsed - and just ignore the limit - from what I have seen this week. And the time I do see car doing 20 there is a queue behind it.
Drakefords Poll Tax moment right in front of your eyes. Like a good socialist boy - you should obey your leader.

[North Cardiff Blue]

If the person he was overtaking was going slower and he could pass at 20/22 on his speedo then he is quite entitled to do so.

Saw it twice yesterday, people are driving 10 to 15 sometimes.

[poc]

Saw it twice yesterday, people are driving 10 to 15 sometimes.

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

Very sensible spot on can't disagree with any of that.

Why would people be happy for money to be wasted in this way, rather than spend the money on important services instead such as care or the NHS?

Because it's been introduced by Labour 👍

[North Cardiff Blue]

They are bombing past, and now starting to moan that it feels more dangerous as car drivers are behaving differently it’s freaking them out….you gotta laugh.

They are more likely to get hit, drivers are looking at the speed, not the road, there will be more accidents and deaths it's obvious especially with cyclists moving faster than cars.

[splott parker]

Saw it twice yesterday, people are driving 10 to 15 sometimes.

How are you finding time to drive? You’ve spent the last week posting on this thread, don’t tell us that you’re driving so slow that typing whilst doing so is easy. Watch you don’t get pinched

[North Cardiff Blue]

Stop talking bollocks tory boy , no lying from me

The privatisation of the care system via provision of carers under Thatcher took hundreds of thousands of carers off pensioned jobs with promotion , decent working conditions and decent pay .......to the private sector where pay and conditions are shite and the service provided crap ......and of course the making of huge profits to private companies

As is the case with renationalisation of gas , water , electricity , buses etc the cost would be astronomical to go back to the old council system of care and simply couldn't be justified

But that's not my problem it's you and your tory chums

Now get back in your box you soppy tart , disingenuous tory nonsense

So this unnecessary change of speed limit is a good use of public money is it sludge?

This is more important than social care the NHS or any other services in Wales is it?

[North Cardiff Blue]

How are you finding time to drive? You’ve spent the last week posting on this thread, don’t tell us that you’re driving so slow that typing whilst doing so is easy. Watch you don’t get pinched

Yes dive on and off, but I have a phone holder, I easily could have yesterday, it was at a snail's pace.

The same today went to Cefn Onn and the Ty Mawr, 17 mph through the last part of Excalibur drive was painful the safest road ever.

Back to sky sports news Norwich five nil down to Plymouth !

[splott parker]

Yes dive on and off, but I have a phone holder, I easily could have yesterday, it was at a snail's pace.

The same today went to Cefn Onn and the Ty Mawr, 17 mph through the last part of Excalibur drive was painful the safest road ever.

Back to sky sports news Norwich five nil down to Plymouth !

Empire or Guildford?

[North Cardiff Blue]

Empire or Guildford?

Empire top board

[The Bloop]

There was a March in Cardiff today. Apparently 200 turned up.

Really needed it to be in the 1000s.

For some bizarre reason they were outside the museum.

Seems to have been organised by a group calling themselves Great Resist South Wales. They don't seem to like any sort of control and think climate change isn't man made.

[79blue]

I'm going to hop onto my soap box here and this is what I think is the crux of the matter.

Roads. What are they there for? In terms of usage, they are used mainly by vehicles; cars, buses, lorries, taxis etc, things with engines. Occasionally cyclists will use them, though the number of cyclists is very low compared with the rest. Pedestrians don't really use them, they use pavements but will also have to cross these roads from time to time.

So, given the frequency of what uses roads the most, shouldn't they be geared to making sure traffic moves smoothly and safely?

Roads are unsafe places. If I got run over I'd have either been run over by a lunatic who wasn't driving properly, or I'd have made a huge error of judgement. In 45 years I haven't been run over. Virtually all of my friends have never been run over, either. I reckon most people who are run over by a car have only themselves to blame, unless there's obvious fault on the side of the driver. The closest I ever got to running someone over was in Tonypandy - a guy walked out almost straight in front of me looking at his phone, oblivious of anything. If I'd have knocked him over I would have felt absolutely awful, but it would never have been my fault. Years ago my dad ran over a pedestrian on a motorway - he was suicidal and did it to end his life; there was never any blame attached to my dad, but he had to attend inquests and all sorts. Horrible for him and he considered quitting a career he'd spent his life doing and was really good at.

I have yet to hear from anyone that they object to 20mph limits in side streets, where there are schools and so on. At the moment we have lots of 20mph sections of road where there's no logical reason to do so. Main roads need to move traffic onwards. People have to get somewhere. Sadly the way things work in the UK means that people often have less time to do things than ever before.

Education is far better than ever before. Youngsters know the dangers of roads better than in my generation. Casualties, deaths etc on roads keep falling year by year.

Thirty years ago I was driving towards Blackwood High Street on Bridge street, travelling from the direction of the rugby club. This road is used as a shortcut between Blackwood and Oakdale or Pontllanfraith. This street has cars parked on either side of the street and was a 30mph road.

As I was driving I was aware of the possibility of a pedestrian walking from between the cars and reduced my speed to less than 15mph. Halfway up the street a small child, aged about 5 or 6 years old, stepped out from a gap between two parked cars. When the child was between the cars he was not observable from my position, but when he stepped out he was less than than 6 metres in front of me. I was able to react and apply the brakes but was still moving when I struck him. Fortunately was speed was very low at impact and the child was knocked to the floor but immediately got up and ran away.

There were people around at the time and they were able to give me his address. I went to his home and informed his mother of the events. She was not particularly concerned and appeared to be more interested in having drinks with her mates.

I went to the police station and reported the incident. I did this as otherwise it would have been classed as a hit and run. They took my statement, breathalysed me and checked my driving and car documents.

If I had been driving at the legal speed limit of 30 mph I would not have been able to react or reduce my speed effectively. This would have killed that child and I would had to carry that burden for the rest of my life. Fortunately I had the awareness of the danger at the time and adjusted my driving to match the conditions, many other drivers would had not done so. The 20mph limit gives the driver more reaction time and a shorter stopping distance. I would rather be a few late than carry the responsibility of someone's death or serious injury.

[TWGL1]

Thirty years ago I was driving towards Blackwood High Street on Bridge street, travelling from the direction of the rugby club. This road is used as a shortcut between Blackwood and Oakdale or Pontllanfraith. This street has cars parked on either side of the street and was a 30mph road.

As I was driving I was aware of the possibility of a pedestrian walking from between the cars and reduced my speed to less than 15mph. Halfway up the street a small child, aged about 5 or 6 years old, stepped out from a gap between two parked cars. When the child was between the cars he was not observable from my position, but when he stepped out he was less than than 6 metres in front of me. I was able to react and apply the brakes but was still moving when I struck him. Fortunately was speed was very low at impact and the child was knocked to the floor but immediately got up and ran away.

There were people around at the time and they were able to give me his address. I went to his home and informed his mother of the events. She was not particularly concerned and appeared to be more interested in having drinks with her mates.

I went to the police station and reported the incident. I did this as otherwise it would have been classed as a hit and run. They took my statement, breathalysed me and checked my driving and car documents.

If I had been driving at the legal speed limit of 30 mph I would not have been able to react or reduce my speed effectively. This would have killed that child and I would had to carry that burden for the rest of my life. Fortunately I had the awareness of the danger at the time and adjusted my driving to match the conditions, many other drivers would had not done so. The 20mph limit gives the driver more reaction time and a shorter stopping distance. I would rather be a few late than carry the responsibility of someone's death or serious injury.

The 30 mph speed limit is not a target speed , and I think most drivers would not even attempt to attain the maximum speed in the same situation, especially in residential areas like the one you have described.