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Thread: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

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    Being reported that Hamas are apparently willing to accept ceasefire terms

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Being reported that Hamas are apparently willing to accept ceasefire terms
    Hopefully good news:-

    BBC Summary
    Hamas says it has approved a ceasefire deal for Gaza put forward by Qatari and Egyptian mediators
    It is not yet known exactly what the group has agreed to - and whether Israel will give its backing to the plan
    The announcement comes as Israel has urged 100,000 Palestinians to leave eastern Rafah ahead of a "limited" military operation
    The Israeli military says it is not a wide-scale evacuation and evacuees will be directed to tent cities in Khan Younis and al-Mawasi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    What a bizzare leap?
    To assume that I am in agreement with all that Israel do from day to day, and more than that, that I am jumping up and down in glee!
    Sure, your beloved 'The Guardian' may be mainly black & white, but life generally isn't.
    I may love and support my children, yet do I agree with all they do on a daily basis? Obviously not.
    Please give a little more thought before you take such unfounded leaps in the future.
    No leap at all.

    Maybe you should re read some of your own posts?

    It wasnt that long ago you were amazed that Israel had taken as long as they had to force Palestinian arabs off their land so they could claim what was supposedly promised to their ancestors by your imaginary friend.

    You may not agree with everything Israel does day to day, but you have repeatedly made clear your support for ethnic cleansing to fullfil the ‘contract’ in the Old Testament.

    Ethnic cleansing in practice means regular murders, expulsion and systematic oppression through the IOF, armed settlers carrying out pogroms, and discriminatory colonial laws - and over 6 million people in refugee camps.

    Of course if you have now changed your mind and want to take the side of the oppressed not the oppressor, that is good. Always welcome a sinner who has seen the light! But if not just own your own words and beliefs.

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    jon1959 said:

    Maybe you should re read some of your own posts?

    If my former posts helped your agenda you'd be quoting them; they don't, so no surprise you haven't.

    It wasnt that long ago you were amazed that Israel had taken as long as they had to force Palestinian arabs off their land so they could claim what was supposedly promised to their ancestors by your imaginary friend.

    The timing of them inheriting the land they've been promised has nothing to do with HOW that will happen?

    You may not agree with everything Israel does day to day, but you have repeatedly made clear your support for ethnic cleansing to fullfil the ‘contract’ in the Old Testament.

    A lie, but then why wouldn't you? The god you serve has been a liar from the beginning. And the fact that some people often say they follow no god doesn't negate their god's 'fingerprint' being all over their posts and their consistent attitude to God's chosen people.
    Also, who told you that the land promised to the Jews was only attainable via bloodshed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    That's exactly what a few callers on radio 5 were saying tonight

    Israel seems to be going full speed into slaughter , its insanity and its going to be disastrous

    Russia attacks Ukraine and they are monsters and we have food collections and invite their president over

    The Palestinians in Gaza are caught in the middle between hamas and the Israelis

    Not only are they not getting invites to meet Sunak they are also getting bombed and being starved out

    Jesus wept
    Whilst my feelings are aligned and equally disaheartend, I am surprised that people are surprised. As you say the Arab-Jew problem is perennial. But the new causes of tension have taken on added complexity, with Russia and China assisting Iran’s agitations.

    Nothing has changed since Iraq - Afghanistan in that:

    1. Battle for resources: Iraqi oil. Plus Afghan lithium & rare earth minerals (the biggest source in the world for Electric Vehicles, along with Chile, US and China)

    2. Oil and gas distribution pipelines to Europe / Mediterranean and to the East in China

    3. Military supply and access lines fornIran through to Hamas and Hezbollah

    4. Iraq and Afghanistan, like Palestinians, Yemen and Lebanon, have Shia-Muslim supporting elites running them as Shia-muslim sympathetic countries for Iran, to help Iran’s Revolutionary Guard achieve it’s geo-political triple objective of: eliminating Israel and its people off the map, getting rid of Western influence in fhe region, and imposing/exporting the vicious, hard, fundamentalist Shia-Muslim form of Islamism onto moderate Sunni muslim countries

    5. Influencing global shipping lanes via Suez and Straights of Hormuz, and thus global inflation

    The only difference in this decade is that China and Russia are providing military, financial and political influence to it, as it suits their long term strategic agenda of also removing Western influence in the region, and grabbing the oil and minerals for themselves at knock-down, off-market prices.

    Radio 5 callers just see “another war” and humanitarian issues, which is reasonable. They cannot seem to see the big picture, or are willfully ignoring it as it is a hard pill to swallow. Many simplistic or well-meaning people don’t want to believe that national political actors can be so cold, strategic, calculating and ruthless, and arguably inhumane.

    The Middle East has been a geo-political chessboard for several centuries now. If people can switch on their awareness to this they will form
    a more realistic assessment of how messy it is, and likely always will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keyser Soze View Post
    Whilst my feelings are aligned and equally disaheartend, I am surprised that people are surprised. As you say the Arab-Jew problem is perennial. But the new causes of tension have taken on added complexity, with Russia and China assisting Iran’s agitations.........

    The only difference in this decade is that China and Russia are providing military, financial and political influence to it, as it suits their long term strategic agenda of also removing Western influence in the region, and grabbing the oil and minerals for themselves at knock-down, off-market prices.

    Radio 5 callers just see “another war” and humanitarian issues, which is reasonable. They cannot seem to see the big picture, or are willfully ignoring it as it is a hard pill to swallow. Many simplistic or well-meaning people don’t want to believe that national political actors can be so cold, strategic, calculating and ruthless, and arguably inhumane.

    The Middle East has been a geo-political chessboard for several centuries now. If people can switch on their awareness to this they will form a more realistic assessment of how messy it is, and likely always will be.
    Indeed, and it's been interesting to see here that most people in this discussion share that "Radio 5 callers" perspective.
    Thanks for also sharing the deeper picture including Iran, China & Russia, which also explains a lot of what is to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    While I share your desire to see him live it in his everyday life to prove he is truly serving Christ, the emphasis on baptism will potentially be misleading to many. As I mentioned yesterday, religious ceremonies have no direct impact on a persons eternal destiny, and can only point (as baptism after repentance does) to a commitment that has already taken place; the Bible says, 'believe and be baptised', because it's faith in Christ that saves, and not any religious act or man-made ceremony.
    I understand what you mean by baptism sometimes being misleading. Baptism is the outward sign to others that a person has already accepted Christ rather than the act of being baptised somehow makes a person an instant Christian! Only Russell Brand himself can know that in his heart.

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    So much for the ceasefire as the IDF take over control of the Rafah crossing and prepare for the main assault there. If the news is to be believed three Hamas tunnels have apparently been discovered there this morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gofer Blue View Post
    I understand what you mean by baptism sometimes being misleading. Baptism is the outward sign to others that a person has already accepted Christ rather than the act of being baptised somehow makes a person an instant Christian! Only Russell Brand himself can know that in his heart.
    I am trying not to get involved with the fruitless religious debates on here but as far as Russell Brand is concerned: he used to be a drug addict, a Buddhist, a sex addict, a bulimic, a porn addict, a self-harmer. He suffers from ADHD and is now accused of numerous sexual misdemenours. It's tempting to think that anything he gets involved with may be intense but ephemeral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    I am trying not to get involved with the fruitless religious debates on here but as far as Russell Brand is concerned: he used to be a drug addict, a Buddhist, a sex addict, a bulimic, a porn addict, a self-harmer. He suffers from ADHD and is now accused of numerous sexual misdemenours. It's tempting to think that anything he gets involved with may be intense but ephemeral.
    Many people have an intense spiritual experience but that is no guarantee of becoming a genuine Christian?
    It's about a total transformation from within which is endorsed and permanently sealed by God, not a flash in the pan. This means that if it is the real thing, his countless 'misdemenours' will have no impact on what has happened to him now.

    Saul (Paul) was a murderer of Christians, his life was turned upside down after he met with Christ.

    We shall all be watching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    I am trying not to get involved with the fruitless religious debates on here but as far as Russell Brand is concerned: he used to be a drug addict, a Buddhist, a sex addict, a bulimic, a porn addict, a self-harmer. He suffers from ADHD and is now accused of numerous sexual misdemenours. It's tempting to think that anything he gets involved with may be intense but ephemeral.
    Apart from that, just a regular guy then?

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    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post

    We shall all be watching.
    No we all won’t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gofer Blue View Post
    Apart from that, just a regular guy then?
    Fair point.

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    Long overdue.

    Shows the amount of pressure on them from the USA and parts of Europe.

    When it came to Russia-Ukraine the ICC moved much more quickly.

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    Biden calls the decision “outrageous”, somehow I don’t think he was talking about.the Hamas part of it.

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    Not withstanding the serious issue at play here, there is one of the oddest videos I've ever seen. It's like something from Armando Iannucci.

    What the hell are the two people in the background doing?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3ggpe3qj6wo

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Biden calls the decision “outrageous”, somehow I don’t think he was talking about.the Hamas part of it.
    There is a very good chance Biden was not complicit in any Hamas crimes.

    It is absolutely certain he is complicit and has enabled the crimes of Netanyahu, Gallant and the other members of the Israeli War Cabinet not named (yet).

    No wonder he's 'outraged'. How dare the upholders of international law point the finger at a US ally. That should only happen to the other lot!

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