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  1. #26

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    I guess the reality is that if you really want to go around shouting nazi at people then that's up to you.

    Its nothing new, the difference is we used to be able to leave people like you at the bar staring into your pint shouting at the foam for being fascist or something and just ignore it when out of our earshot. Now we get it constantly on our phones, even in threads about MPs accused of sexual misconduct which is as far away from the topic of Nazism as is imaginable.

    I guess I should learn to better ignore you, or not take you seriously, that is true, abut it bugs me that you poison the well with rhetoric that sows discord and absolutely nothing else.
    You sanctimonious ponce

    You sound like Quentin Letts

    He uses big words too but he's not as clever as he thinks he is

  2. #27

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    No one is diverting from anything. He's been accused of something. He denies it. He's been suspended and in the meantime he'll be investigated and if found guilty will face consequences, and that's the way of it.

    You tell me what this has to do with nazis, the daily mail or Jeremy Corbyn, cos I'm struggling to see the link!
    He's off again , tory boy to the rescue of a tory

    You arse creep

  3. #28

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    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    You do realise that over at the Guardian newspaper (the bastion of the latte socialist) - they have just sacked their cartoonist, Steve Bell, for anti Semitic cartoons
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67122609

    maybe have a day off yourself...
    Listen sonny you have so many personas on here it's like dealing with 10000 maniacs

    You are tory boys daddy

  4. #29

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    You sanctimonious ponce

    You sound like Quentin Letts

    He uses big words too but he's not as clever as he thinks he is
    Just picturing you sat shouting that into a pint sat on the end of the bar whilst the barman gives everyone a knowing look. It's quite a good coping mechanism to deal with your rants actually.

  5. #30

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    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    You do realise that over at the Guardian newspaper (the bastion of the latte socialist) - they have just sacked their cartoonist, Steve Bell, for anti Semitic cartoons
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67122609

    maybe have a day off yourself...
    So you agree with the guardian actually being far more middle ground than right wing clowns like you think it is .....or you don't?

  6. #31

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Just picturing you sat shouting that into a pint sat on the end of the bar whilst the barman gives everyone a knowing look. It's quite a good coping mechanism to deal with your rants actually.
    I don't go into pubs they are generally full of sun and daily mail racists

  7. #32

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    No one is diverting from anything. He's been accused of something. He denies it. He's been suspended and in the meantime he'll be investigated and if found guilty will face consequences, and that's the way of it.

    You tell me what this has to do with nazis, the daily mail or Jeremy Corbyn, cos I'm struggling to see the link!
    No, you're wrong, an independent panel has found that Bone did do what he was accused of doing.

  8. #33

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    So you agree with the guardian actually being far more middle ground than right wing clowns like you think it is .....or you don't?
    The Guardian is to the left what the DailyMail is to the right. Both should be read with caution and a huge dose of scepticism, they effectively cancel each other out.

  9. #34

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    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    The Guardian is to the left what the DailyMail is to the right. Both should be read with caution and a huge dose of scepticism, they effectively cancel each other out.
    The Guardian is more left wing than it was, but it's got some way to got before it becomes the Daily Mail of the left - there's no such thing and I wouldn't want to read any paper that was.

  10. #35

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    No, you're wrong, an independent panel has found that Bone did do what he was accused of doing.
    You are right! Though I see he's appealing, but I stand corrected!

    Now where does the Daily Mail, the Nazi party and Jeremy Corbyn come into this?

  11. #36

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    Parliament is riddled with this shit on all sides and at conferences where folk on all sides and gender are out of control whether its racism , anti-Semitism , inappropriate sexual behaviours .

    Even the Holy Grail NHS has appalling stats

    Sexual harassment in the NHS
    In June 2021, the results of a survey run by UNISON and the Nursing Times were published. The survey, which sought the views of over 2,000 nursing staff and students, revealed that 60 per cent had experienced sexual harassment at work.

    Corbyn and his team were found guilty of harassment not of a sexual nature just not good to be a jew or a woman in that team.

    Interestingly the Tories have given more opportunity to woman than Labour , why is that ??????

  12. #37

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    The Guardian is more left wing than it was, but it's got some way to got before it becomes the Daily Mail of the left - there's no such thing and I wouldn't want to read any paper that was.
    Mail biggest selling paper in UK amongst the left , right and centre

    Guardian took Corbyn to task big time it is a perfect Blair Starmer centrist to centre-left media machine , made name with the left during the Spanish Civil War .

    Working class and Labour voters read the Sun , Mail , Metro in big numbers not the Guardian as they cant afford too read preaching champagne soft socialist / rags

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    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    You do realise that over at the Guardian newspaper (the bastion of the latte socialist) - they have just sacked their cartoonist, Steve Bell, for anti Semitic cartoons
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67122609

    maybe have a day off yourself...
    They sacked Steve Bell for his latest satirical cartoon exposing Netanyahu's war crimes - using a famous cartoon from the 1960s exposing Lyndon Johnson on Vietnam as a reference.

    That was off script (again) for Katherine Viner and the Guardian.

    It follows a series of decisions over the past 7 years to censor Steve Bell when he took aim at Israeli atrocities and war crimes. He has appeared less and less over recent years - was down to three times a month when once it was a daily cartoon.

    None of his cartoons have ever been anti semitic. But those cheap slurs work - sadly.

  14. #39

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    Labour Party harrasment by panel lol

    https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/upl...ary-Report.pdf

    Labours NEC Panels have determined 636 investigations since 21 May 2020 or 118
    investigations since the last report on 09 November 2021.

    Cut for the same cloth closed institutions , the victims should go the police or media :

    Of the 636 cases determined by NEC Panels since 21 May 2020: 59.91% have
    involved allegations of antisemitism; 8.96% have involved constitutional
    matters; 7.39% have involved bullying, harassment, or intimidation; 5.03%
    have involved online conduct (e.g. abusive or unpleasant online conduct);
    4.56% have involved some form of misconduct, typically elected
    representatives that have been subject to standards investigations or
    committed infractions of COVID restrictions; 3.93% have involved allegations
    of Islamophobia; 3.30% have involved allegations of anti-black racism; 2.83%
    have involved allegations of sexism; 1.26% have involved safeguarding
    allegations; 1.26% have involved allegations of sexual harassment.

  15. #40

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Labour Party harrasment by panel lol

    https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/upl...ary-Report.pdf

    Labours NEC Panels have determined 636 investigations since 21 May 2020 or 118
    investigations since the last report on 09 November 2021.

    Cut for the same cloth closed institutions , the victims should go the police or media :

    Of the 636 cases determined by NEC Panels since 21 May 2020: 59.91% have
    involved allegations of antisemitism; 8.96% have involved constitutional
    matters; 7.39% have involved bullying, harassment, or intimidation; 5.03%
    have involved online conduct (e.g. abusive or unpleasant online conduct);
    4.56% have involved some form of misconduct, typically elected
    representatives that have been subject to standards investigations or
    committed infractions of COVID restrictions; 3.93% have involved allegations
    of Islamophobia; 3.30% have involved allegations of anti-black racism; 2.83%
    have involved allegations of sexism; 1.26% have involved safeguarding
    allegations; 1.26% have involved allegations of sexual harassment.
    Can you post something which gives us the chance to compare Conservative figures with the Labour ones please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Can you post something which gives us the chance to compare Conservative figures with the Labour ones please?
    The Conservatives don't investigate - unless there is an embarrassing press campaign that needs to be headed off. All kinds of Islamophobes, anti semites and other assorted racists welcome as long as they wrap themselves in the union flag and sing GSTK.

    Labour investigate and purge - often on the basis of factional and false allegations. All kinds of anti semites and racists welcome as long as they fly the Israeli flag alongside the union flag and publicly stick pins in effigies of Jeremy Corbyn.

    https://jewishcurrents.org/the-jews-...r-antisemitism

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/u...jewish-members

  17. #42

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    They sacked Steve Bell for his latest satirical cartoon exposing Netanyahu's war crimes - using a famous cartoon from the 1960s exposing Lyndon Johnson on Vietnam as a reference.

    That was off script (again) for Katherine Viner and the Guardian.

    It follows a series of decisions over the past 7 years to censor Steve Bell when he took aim at Israeli atrocities and war crimes. He has appeared less and less over recent years - was down to three times a month when once it was a daily cartoon.

    None of his cartoons have ever been anti semitic. But those cheap slurs work - sadly.
    I think the problem is that the guardian post race-based articles on a near daily basis. A great many things are racist according to numerous opinion pieces and so the bar for it is fairly low.

    I think Steve Bells cartoons are very cutting, often offensive (which is fine!) and often close to the bone. Do I think he is antisemitic? No. Can I see why others, including Jews would? Yes, I can.

    By the bar they judge others I think he probably had to go tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    I think the problem is that the guardian post race-based articles on a near daily basis. A great many things are racist according to numerous opinion pieces and so the bar for it is fairly low.

    I think Steve Bells cartoons are very cutting, often offensive (which is fine!) and often close to the bone. Do I think he is antisemitic? No. Can I see why others, including Jews would? Yes, I can.

    By the bar they judge others I think he probably had to go tbh.
    I don't know what you mean by 'race based articles' but I will give the Guardian (and the BBC) a little credit for giving voice to a few more representatives of occupied Palestinians, anti-zionist Israeli Jews and activists from different communities trying to create mixed heritage peace organisations. A little more balance - but not much.

    The Guardian is also clearly embarrassed by the current Israeli government - especially the fascist members - but that doesn't change the main editorial line and narrative though that is firmly supportive of an expansionist Israeli state and their cheerleaders in the UK. It was a better newspaper in the Alan Rusbridger days when it had some edge and courage - and was prepared to challenge very powerful vested interests and state actors.

    The Steve Bell cartoon is not antisemitic regardless of who you are or what supernatural beliefs you hold. Someone in the Guardian inner editorial group saw a reference to Shylock and 'a pound of flesh' in the drawing - which was pure invention and mental gymnastics of a spectacular kind. Bell took a 1960s cartoon that showed Lyndon Johnson after abdominal surgery with a scar in the shape of Vietnam. Bell updated that to show Netanyahu with a scar in the shape of Gaza. About as far from Shylock as you can get!

  19. #44

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    I think the problem is that the guardian post race-based articles on a near daily basis. A great many things are racist according to numerous opinion pieces and so the bar for it is fairly low.

    I think Steve Bells cartoons are very cutting, often offensive (which is fine!) and often close to the bone. Do I think he is antisemitic? No. Can I see why others, including Jews would? Yes, I can.

    By the bar they judge others I think he probably had to go tbh.
    Again you are wrong

    Most Jews , as you say .....are moderate people

    It's the zionists and others on the right , probably 30 percent that cry anti Semitic every time the issue of settlers or a two state solution is raised

    And of course the tory party irrespective of background who will do anything to use Israel to stay in power

    Now get back in your box

  20. #45

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    Sunak meets Netanyahu

    We will stand with Israel

    And we also want you to win

    Wtf

  21. #46

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    The Conservatives don't investigate - unless there is an embarrassing press campaign that needs to be headed off. All kinds of Islamophobes, anti semites and other assorted racists welcome as long as they wrap themselves in the union flag and sing GSTK.

    Labour investigate and purge - often on the basis of factional and false allegations. All kinds of anti semites and racists welcome as long as they fly the Israeli flag alongside the union flag and publicly stick pins in effigies of Jeremy Corbyn.

    https://jewishcurrents.org/the-jews-...r-antisemitism

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/u...jewish-members
    Exactly.

  22. #47

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Exactly.
    Not really true though is it.

  23. #48

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Not really true though is it.
    Well, prove me wrong by producing comparable figures for the Tories then.

  24. #49

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Well, prove me wrong by producing comparable figures for the Tories then.
    I'm not sure what's being asked?

    I'm just saying. It's not true that one party just doesn't investigate it's MPs is it.

  25. #50

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Or Anne Widdecombe
    Sexualising women to score political points, not a good look both.

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