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He's back , more ducking and divingOriginally Posted by JamesWales
Daily Nazi ....its a right wing rag , everyone knows it , even the plums who read it
But you are here again , the defender of the faith , Jonathan Aitken , with your sword and shield .....the guardian of the tory faithful
Have a day off ff sake
You do realise that over at the Guardian newspaper (the bastion of the latte socialist) - they have just sacked their cartoonist, Steve Bell, for anti Semitic cartoons
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67122609
maybe have a day off yourself...
They sacked Steve Bell for his latest satirical cartoon exposing Netanyahu's war crimes - using a famous cartoon from the 1960s exposing Lyndon Johnson on Vietnam as a reference.
That was off script (again) for Katherine Viner and the Guardian.
It follows a series of decisions over the past 7 years to censor Steve Bell when he took aim at Israeli atrocities and war crimes. He has appeared less and less over recent years - was down to three times a month when once it was a daily cartoon.
None of his cartoons have ever been anti semitic. But those cheap slurs work - sadly.
I guess the reality is that if you really want to go around shouting nazi at people then that's up to you.
Its nothing new, the difference is we used to be able to leave people like you at the bar staring into your pint shouting at the foam for being fascist or something and just ignore it when out of our earshot. Now we get it constantly on our phones, even in threads about MPs accused of sexual misconduct which is as far away from the topic of Nazism as is imaginable.
I guess I should learn to better ignore you, or not take you seriously, that is true, abut it bugs me that you poison the well with rhetoric that sows discord and absolutely nothing else.
No one is diverting from anything. He's been accused of something. He denies it. He's been suspended and in the meantime he'll be investigated and if found guilty will face consequences, and that's the way of it.
You tell me what this has to do with nazis, the daily mail or Jeremy Corbyn, cos I'm struggling to see the link!
No, you're wrong, an independent panel has found that Bone did do what he was accused of doing.
You sanctimonious ponce
You sound like Quentin Letts
He uses big words too but he's not as clever as he thinks he is
He's off again , tory boy to the rescue of a tory
You arse creep
Listen sonny you have so many personas on here it's like dealing with 10000 maniacs
You are tory boys daddy
Just picturing you sat shouting that into a pint sat on the end of the bar whilst the barman gives everyone a knowing look. It's quite a good coping mechanism to deal with your rants actually.
So you agree with the guardian actually being far more middle ground than right wing clowns like you think it is .....or you don't?
The Guardian is to the left what the DailyMail is to the right. Both should be read with caution and a huge dose of scepticism, they effectively cancel each other out.
The Guardian is more left wing than it was, but it's got some way to got before it becomes the Daily Mail of the left - there's no such thing and I wouldn't want to read any paper that was.
Mail biggest selling paper in UK amongst the left , right and centre
Guardian took Corbyn to task big time it is a perfect Blair Starmer centrist to centre-left media machine , made name with the left during the Spanish Civil War .
Working class and Labour voters read the Sun , Mail , Metro in big numbers not the Guardian as they cant afford too read preaching champagne soft socialist / rags
I don't go into pubs they are generally full of sun and daily mail racists
You are right! Though I see he's appealing, but I stand corrected!
Now where does the Daily Mail, the Nazi party and Jeremy Corbyn come into this?
I think the problem is that the guardian post race-based articles on a near daily basis. A great many things are racist according to numerous opinion pieces and so the bar for it is fairly low.
I think Steve Bells cartoons are very cutting, often offensive (which is fine!) and often close to the bone. Do I think he is antisemitic? No. Can I see why others, including Jews would? Yes, I can.
By the bar they judge others I think he probably had to go tbh.
I don't know what you mean by 'race based articles' but I will give the Guardian (and the BBC) a little credit for giving voice to a few more representatives of occupied Palestinians, anti-zionist Israeli Jews and activists from different communities trying to create mixed heritage peace organisations. A little more balance - but not much.
The Guardian is also clearly embarrassed by the current Israeli government - especially the fascist members - but that doesn't change the main editorial line and narrative though that is firmly supportive of an expansionist Israeli state and their cheerleaders in the UK. It was a better newspaper in the Alan Rusbridger days when it had some edge and courage - and was prepared to challenge very powerful vested interests and state actors.
The Steve Bell cartoon is not antisemitic regardless of who you are or what supernatural beliefs you hold. Someone in the Guardian inner editorial group saw a reference to Shylock and 'a pound of flesh' in the drawing - which was pure invention and mental gymnastics of a spectacular kind. Bell took a 1960s cartoon that showed Lyndon Johnson after abdominal surgery with a scar in the shape of Vietnam. Bell updated that to show Netanyahu with a scar in the shape of Gaza. About as far from Shylock as you can get!
Again you are wrong
Most Jews , as you say .....are moderate people
It's the zionists and others on the right , probably 30 percent that cry anti Semitic every time the issue of settlers or a two state solution is raised
And of course the tory party irrespective of background who will do anything to use Israel to stay in power
Now get back in your box
Sunak meets Netanyahu
We will stand with Israel
And we also want you to win
Wtf
Not really true though is it.
Well, prove me wrong by producing comparable figures for the Tories then.
I'm not sure what's being asked?
I'm just saying. It's not true that one party just doesn't investigate it's MPs is it.
I wanted to see the Conservative equivalents of the figures Life on Mars posted about the Labour Party.
And now Tory MP in his 60s is arrested in Surrey on suspicion of rape. Arrested in the constituency where I live - if reports are to be believed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67233090
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