Immigration the last thing in the Tories' armour?

[NinianOpinion1927]

You do realise that in 2010, Labour chancellor Alistair Darling was preparing to enact Austerity policies that the Conservatives/Lib Dems eventually did? People conveniently forget this. Brown didn't agree with him but Brown would've eventually been faced with the reality that his chancellor did. You can source our particulary bad suffering, post financial crash to Labour's behaviour and borrowing pre 2008.
Also, life expectancy is far more complex than adding few extra quid to the poor's budget. There's been a huge shift in dietry behaviour with obesity rising. Yes, Obesity rising in a time where food banks have EXPLODED

On the matter of food banks, i think they're better than state handouts. It's a more efficient use of money, targeting those really in need.
I'm sure that i once heard foodbanks were in large part state funded.

I have to correct myself. After a google search it seems foodbanks aren't directly state funded. It's mainly the trussel trust who are funded by the national lottery/comic relief.

[the other bob wilson]

You do realise that in 2010, Labour chancellor Alistair Darling was preparing to enact Austerity policies that the Conservatives/Lib Dems eventually did? People conveniently forget this. Brown didn't agree with him but Brown would've eventually been faced with the reality that his chancellor did. You can source our particulary bad suffering, post financial crash to Labour's behaviour and borrowing pre 2008.
Also, life expectancy is far more complex than adding few extra quid to the poor's budget. There's been a huge shift in dietry behaviour with obesity rising. Yes, Obesity rising in a time where food banks have EXPLODED

On the matter of food banks, i think they're better than state handouts. It's a more efficient use of money, targeting those really in need.
I'm sure that i once heard foodbanks were in large part state funded.

Sounds like you blame Labour for things that happened on and off their watch. That’s not on, because you’re not doing the same for the Tories - you’re trying to make them not responsible for things that happened when they were in Government. That could have some traction if we were talking about a one term Government, but this is going to be a fourteen year one at least.

You maybe able to source what’s happened in the past fourteen years to Labour pre 2008, but your judgement is clearly completely biased and I’m not really in the mood to argue with someone who’ll no doubt be posting on here under a different name in a few weeks/months.

[the other bob wilson]

I have to correct myself. After a google search it seems foodbanks aren't directly state funded. It's mainly the trussel trust who are funded by the national lottery/comic relief.

Of course they’re not.Have you ever lived in Hartlepool by any chance?

[the other bob wilson]

It also 'exploded' in socialist France - much more so (3 times more) than the UK
1984 France introduced food banks - 1997 in the UK. France turns over the 3 times as much in their food banks than the UK does - with a similar sized population..... whose fault is that ?

ps re 13 years - we have 26 years of Labour in the Welsh Assembly.... happy about that are you ?

Have you noticed how I'm answering your questions and you're ignoring mine?

[Dave Blue]

It also 'exploded' in socialist France - much more so (3 times more) than the UK
1984 France introduced food banks - 1997 in the UK. France turns over the 3 times as much in their food banks than the UK does - with a similar sized population..... whose fault is that ?

ps re 13 years - we have 26 years of Labour in the Welsh Assembly.... happy about that are you ?

Blaming WG for the ills present in the whole of the UK is like blaming your kids that they can’t afford something from the shop on your pocket money.

[NinianOpinion1927]

Sounds like you blame Labour for things that happened on and off their watch. That’s not on, because you’re not doing the same for the Tories - you’re trying to make them not responsible for things that happened when they were in Government. That could have some traction if we were talking about a one term Government, but this is going to be a fourteen year one at least.

You maybe able to source what’s happened in the past fourteen years to Labour pre 2008, but your judgement is clearly completely biased and I’m not really in the mood to argue with someone who’ll no doubt be posting on here under a different name in a few weeks/months.

I'd say you are far more biased than me. You said the other day that you can't see the point of the Conservative Party at all, ever. I find that pretty biased & extreme.
I am naturally more Conservative but if Labour weren't partially responsible for the deep cuts i'd say so, i'm not in an echo chamber either. Listen to Beeb a lot so i can understand all points of view.


You keep talking about austerity and wrongly attributing negative outcomes to it with sensationalist language. I.E. Food Banks "exploding" life expectancy dropping etc

Kenneth Clarke was on a Radio4 discussion the other day. He said, without any pushback from the left wing guest, that Chancellor Alistair Darling was drawing up plans for austerity had Labour won the 2010 election. Is this true ?because i've never seen you mention it

[NinianOpinion1927]

Of course they’re not.Have you ever lived in Hartlepool by any chance?

No i haven't ever lived in Hartlepool, why?
Food banks are funded in large part by the national lottery, so maybe the Government have instructed them to donate. I'm not sure how Lottery funds are divided. But if the government tell the lottery how to spend and they're spending on foodbanks, you could say the government are supporting food banks.

[Heathblue]

Will be interesting to see how Argentina pans out over say the next two years currently massive inflation, 150% I've read but did not check, he's so far sacked a massive tranche of government and has said he is going to get rid of the Central Bank fiat currency.

[Eric Cartman]

You do realise that in 2010, Labour chancellor Alistair Darling was preparing to enact Austerity policies that the Conservatives/Lib Dems eventually did? People conveniently forget this. Brown didn't agree with him but Brown would've eventually been faced with the reality that his chancellor did. You can source our particulary bad suffering, post financial crash to Labour's behaviour and borrowing pre 2008.
Also, life expectancy is far more complex than adding few extra quid to the poor's budget. There's been a huge shift in dietry behaviour with obesity rising. Yes, Obesity rising in a time where food banks have EXPLODED

On the matter of food banks, i think they're better than state handouts. It's a more efficient use of money, targeting those really in need.
I'm sure that i once heard foodbanks were in large part state funded.

Go on..

[Eric Cartman]

Sounds like you blame Labour for things that happened on and off their watch. That’s not on, because you’re not doing the same for the Tories - you’re trying to make them not responsible for things that happened when they were in Government. That could have some traction if we were talking about a one term Government, but this is going to be a fourteen year one at least.

You maybe able to source what’s happened in the past fourteen years to Labour pre 2008, but your judgement is clearly completely biased and I’m not really in the mood to argue with someone who’ll no doubt be posting on here under a different name in a few weeks/months.

Labour were running a historically unremarkable deficit pre-2008, it was actually reducing in the years prior so it's not just biased, it's nonsense.

[the other bob wilson]

No i haven't ever lived in Hartlepool, why?
Food banks are funded in large part by the national lottery, so maybe the Government have instructed them to donate. I'm not sure how Lottery funds are divided. But if the government tell the lottery how to spend and they're spending on foodbanks, you could say the government are supporting food banks.

When the Conservatives won the Hartlepool by election a few years ago, there was an interview with someone who said he voted Tory because they’d opened more food banks in the town in the last few years

Do you seriously think that if the Government could claim any credit relating to the funding of food banks they’d keep schtum about it? I’m not saying that just to have a dig at the Conservatives, Labour would be the same as well.

[NinianOpinion1927]

Labour were running a historically unremarkable deficit pre-2008, it was actually reducing in the years prior so it's not just biased, it's nonsense.

They shouldn't have been running a deficit at all, the economy was booming. They increased spending and didn't fund it adequately through taxation. But Brown believed that he ended boom and bust so there was nothing to worry about lol....then 2008 happened and due to Brown's over spending we weren't as well placed to cope, leading to a requirement for deeper Austerity

[the other bob wilson]

And another thing, this link states that the number of UK foodbanks increased around forty fold in the ten years following 2010, I’d say that’s an explosion.

https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentra...idual%20venues.

[NinianOpinion1927]

When the Conservatives won the Hartlepool by election a few years ago, there was an interview with someone who said he voted Tory because they’d opened more food banks in the town in the last few years

Do you seriously think that if the Government could claim any credit relating to the funding of food banks they’d keep schtum about it? I’m not saying that just to have a dig at the Conservatives, Labour would be the same as well.

Ah ok. I don't think governments would want to brag about funding food banks because it's quite an emotive topic. So, best to leave it.
I'm interested now how the national lottery decide who recieves donations. I'd bet it's determined by the government in some way.
Personally, i think food banks are a good, efficient method of helping those who really need help. If the government were to do the same job directly, they'd undoubtedly spend more with loads of bureaucracy.

[NinianOpinion1927]

Go on..

"But it was arguably not sufficiently financed through taxation, and direct taxation in particular. The result was a run up of public deficits prior to the current financial and economic crisis, which broke the government's own fiscal rules. This in turn prepared the way for a substantial deterioration in public finances when the current crisis broke, a deterioration which may take years, if not decades to set right"

[the other bob wilson]

"But it was arguably not sufficiently financed through taxation, and direct taxation in particular. The result was a run up of public deficits prior to the current financial and economic crisis, which broke the government's own fiscal rules. This in turn prepared the way for a substantial deterioration in public finances when the current crisis broke, a deterioration which may take years, if not decades to set right"

You’ve put it in inverted commas, so I assume you’re quoting someone - who?

[Eric Cartman]

They shouldn't have been running a deficit at all, the economy was booming. They increased spending and didn't fund it adequately through taxation. But Brown believed that he ended boom and bust so there was nothing to worry about lol....then 2008 happened and due to Brown's over spending we weren't as well placed to cope, leading to a requirement for deeper Austerity

That's a very childish way of looking at running a country, surely it depends what you are spending it on.

I think he did end boom and bust because for the last 13 years we haven't seen any of the boom bit.

Saying 'a requirement for deeper austerity' implies it worked. It didn't, we never reached the surplus that they kept forecasting because growth was shite and so the debt pile just increased.

I think Bob probably had it right earlier in the thread about you.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

They shouldn't have been running a deficit at all, the economy was booming. They increased spending and didn't fund it adequately through taxation. But Brown believed that he ended boom and bust so there was nothing to worry about lol....then 2008 happened and due to Brown's over spending we weren't as well placed to cope, leading to a requirement for deeper Austerity

2008 was a huge event

Brown was praised for his handling of it , worldwide

It was every bit a disaster event as covid was yet you Tories don't like being reminded of the awful mess Johnson and his mob made of dealing with the pandemic

And don't give me this nonsense that you are a floating voter people come and go on here with that cobblers . You are a raving tory and your posts are evidence .

[NinianOpinion1927]

That's a very childish way of looking at running a country, surely it depends what you are spending it on.

I think he did end boom and bust because for the last 13 years we haven't seen any of the boom bit.

Saying 'a requirement for deeper austerity' implies it worked. It didn't, we never reached the surplus that they kept forecasting because growth was shite and so the debt pile just increased.

I think Bob probably had it right earlier in the thread about you.

Chancellor Alistair Darling was preparing for Austerity in 2010, the idea that you could borrow yourself into growth after borrowing eye watering amounts was far too risky. Had we gambled on borrowing more to grow the economy and it failed. We'd have probably needed an IMF intervention with eye watering Austerity needed.

Brown didn't end boom n bust. But that was his very very damaging belief that he repeatedly told everyone, including the City Of London.

Starmer won't be borrowing to grow the economy either, he's hamstrung by past economic earth quakes. My estimate is it'll be pretty much more of the same but with loads of stifling woke stuff that doesn't cost anything.

[NinianOpinion1927]

2008 was a huge event

Brown was praised for his handling of it , worldwide

It was every bit a disaster event as covid was yet you Tories don't like being reminded of the awful mess Johnson and his mob made of dealing with the pandemic

And don't give me this nonsense that you are a floating voter people come and go on here with that cobblers . You are a raving tory and your posts are evidence .

The current Conservative party aren't Conservative enough for me, they're largely centrists these days.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

The current Conservative party aren't Conservative enough for me, they're largely centrists these days.

No shit Enoch

[Heathblue]

No shit Enoch

Says the guy who was advocating the actions of the Nazis last week 😏 the current tory party is an
extension of Blairs labour party, commonly known as the WEF party, starter will also continue this.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Says the guy who was advocating the actions of the Nazis last week 😏 the current tory party is an
extension of Blairs labour party, commonly known as the WEF party, starter will also continue this.

When it comes to conspiracy idiots I would strangle them at birth

[Heathblue]

When it comes to conspiracy idiots I would strangle them at birth

Being called a conspiracy theorest by a bloke who thinks that blokes can get pregnant 😂 shurrap ya big tart.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Being called a conspiracy theorest by a bloke who thinks that blokes can get pregnant 😂 shurrap ya big tart.

You must be confusing me with someone else you crazy lunatic