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    Why is it with the Tories we have

    Cost of living crisis.

    Austerity.

    Constant ways of reducing public spending to the point where essential services are under threat.

    Why is life, for those at the bottom of the ladder, always harder for those under a Tory government.

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Cost of living crisis.

    Austerity.

    Constant ways of reducing public spending to the point where essential services are under threat.

    Why is life, for those at the bottom of the ladder, always harder for those under a Tory government.
    Because those at the bottom of the ladder in general don't vote in the numbers those higher up do so they are not punished as much for being horrible by those that are affected

    It's noticeable that the conservatives gave the go ahead for the furlough scheme during covid because although it went totally against their philosophy of being tight gits .....

    The còvid affected everybody , especially their core voters and ....if they hadn't done it their would have been rioting in the streets

    Again those on
    Universal credit ......lower
    Down the ladder .....had a few extra quid for a year or so but as soon as they could the Tories snatched it off them ......again they could get away with it .....but mess about with the core voters and they suddenly find the cash .....eg furlough

    What makes me laugh is that the Tories tell their voters oh we will cut taxes for you , vote for us

    Then the services these tories get from local councils are cut because money from central government is reduced

    And these same people then moan about crap services from councils .....

    I hope to christ the penny drops one day

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Cost of living crisis.

    Austerity.

    Constant ways of reducing public spending to the point where essential services are under threat.

    Why is life, for those at the bottom of the ladder, always harder for those under a Tory government.
    Be fair Eric, looks like we’re going to get a pre election tax cut tomorrow because of how they’ve managed to “halve inflation”.

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Be fair Eric, looks like we’re going to get a pre election tax cut tomorrow because of how they’ve managed to “halve inflation”.
    It's O. K TOBW, you don't have to pretend, early retirement and your top up state pension is safe, life's good isn't it?. On my way to work to pay in some more contributions towards your early retirement I'm not bitter, happy to help 👍

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathblue View Post
    It's O. K TOBW, you don't have to pretend, early retirement and your top up state pension is safe, life's good isn't it?. On my way to work to pay in some more contributions towards your early retirement I'm not bitter, happy to help ��
    And that ladies and gentleman is what is known as playing the man, rather than the ball.

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    And that ladies and gentleman is what is known as playing the man, rather than the ball.
    Yup acknowledged, been the victim myself on occasions so I thought I'd join the party. Apologies if any offence taken I was being mischievous,

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathblue View Post
    It's O. K TOBW, you don't have to pretend, early retirement and your top up state pension is safe, life's good isn't it?. On my way to work to pay in some more contributions towards your early retirement I'm not bitter, happy to help ��
    Perhaps if you’d have got/get yourself a better job, save/saved more and didn't/don’t frit away your money, you could retire early as well.

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post

    Why is life, for those at the bottom of the ladder, always harder for those under a Tory government.
    Because Tories and the people that vote for them only care about themselves.

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by stevo View Post
    Because Tories and the people that vote for them only care about themselves.
    Blair - did he only care about himself ? , what about Lord Kinnock, MP pension, MEP pension, EU commissioner pension (whilst employing his son and his wife) before they also both became MEPs - a real man of the people there.
    How about Geoff Hoon with his private consultancy work whilst defence secretary, Mandelson and the cash for passports - the list is endless on both sides.

    Rachel Reeves and her own book - copy and pasted from wikipedia, or perhaps the leadership skills or Angie Raynor - cant wait for that sh1t show to happen.

    Gordon announces he has ended boom and bust - just before he bust's the economy with his light hand on the finance regs. Once you have been around the block a few times your start to see the pattern. 12 years in power for Blair / Brown - 13 years for the tories - too much for any party. Yet in Wales we have 26 years of Labour....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    Blair - did he only care about himself ? , what about Lord Kinnock, MP pension, MEP pension, EU commissioner pension (whilst employing his son and his wife) before they also both became MEPs - a real man of the people there.
    How about Geoff Hoon with his private consultancy work whilst defence secretary, Mandelson and the cash for passports - the list is endless on both sides.

    Rachel Reeves and her own book - copy and pasted from wikipedia, or perhaps the leadership skills or Angie Raynor - cant wait for that sh1t show to happen.

    Gordon announces he has ended boom and bust - just before he bust's the economy with his light hand on the finance regs. Once you have been around the block a few times your start to see the pattern. 12 years in power for Blair / Brown - 13 years for the tories - too much for any party. Yet in Wales we have 26 years of Labour....
    never mind the gordon lets buy diesel idea , now that has really ben a lssting legacy and fecked up the poor , business costs due to transport costs , and poor get fecked over again , its alright though hes wearing a red rosette and is singing keep the red flag flying , woof,woof ..

    20 mph , ULEZ that will fix it well not fr the poor who cannot afford the electric cars and fines

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Cost of living crisis.

    Austerity.

    Constant ways of reducing public spending to the point where essential services are under threat.

    Why is life, for those at the bottom of the ladder, always harder for those under a Tory government.
    Is this true though?

    I'm sure there's an interesting debate to be had, but it's unlikely when the starting point is the scenario outlined.

    Is post covid Tory Britain worse than post financial crisis Labour Britain?

    Is Tory Britain worse than Social Democrat Germany or Socialist Party Spain or Portugal, or centrist France?

    Do we actually have austerity now?

    Did Labour oppose austerity a decade ago?

    Is life at the bottom really harder now than 12, 15 years ago?

    If so, are these all the result of the UK govt or are other factors at play?

    Where we remove the Tories from many policies such as in Wales, do there problems get much better?

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    I'm sure there's an interesting debate to be had, but it's unlikely when the starting point is the scenario outlined.
    To answer

    Is post covid Tory Britain worse than post financial crisis Labour Britain? - no

    Is Tory Britain worse than Social Democrat Germany or Socialist Party Spain or Portugal, or centrist France? no - possibly worst in Germany

    Do we actually have austerity now? - no I dont belileve so - see below though.

    Did Labour oppose austerity a decade ago? - yes

    Is life at the bottom really harder now than 12, 15 years ago? - inflation caused by various external factors didnt help but coming bacj down to within range now.

    If so, are these all the result of the UK govt or are other factors at play? - other factors as we know, Covid, Ukraine, Brexit uncertainty - now mostly gone.

    Where we remove the Tories from many policies such as in Wales, do there problems get much better? - worse. Labour over spent the budget by 900,000,000 (20% of the budget I think) and has now cut every one of the Senedd's dept spending - apart from climate change. Drakeford doing his own austerity now.

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Is this true though?

    I'm sure there's an interesting debate to be had, but it's unlikely when the starting point is the scenario outlined.

    Agreed, but I don't think your starting point of 'everything is good' is productive either

    Is post covid Tory Britain worse than post financial crisis Labour Britain?

    At a macro level possible not, at an individual level yes. Another decade of below inflation pay rises, frozen tax bands, rampant increase in COL and we have more people who are left vulnerable and unable to withstand even the slightest economic shock.

    Is Tory Britain worse than Social Democrat Germany or Socialist Party Spain or Portugal, or centrist France?

    Worse for who? For median and low earners, yes it is likely to be.

    https://www.ft.com/content/85971473-...3-efcad0829044


    Do we actually have austerity now?

    We just canned our largest infrastructure project in decades replacing it with hot air, are cutting benefits during the winter of a cost of living crisis and freezing tax bands for the 28 millionth year in a row. I will let you decide.

    Did Labour oppose austerity a decade ago?

    No, they recognised they were losing that argument and played politics. Austerity is likely to be our biggest mistake, even in the context of Brexit. We had a stagnant economy while other countries were taking advantage of favourable conditions and the tories managed to trick people into thinking they were doing well

    Is life at the bottom really harder now than 12, 15 years ago?

    Yes definitely

    If so, are these all the result of the UK govt or are other factors at play?

    Both

    Where we remove the Tories from many policies such as in Wales, do there problems get much better?

    Wales is an almost unprecedented basket case and it shows how ****ed the UK is that tories use it as a benchmark, the answer above applies to Wales as well.
    .

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    I'm sure there's an interesting debate to be had, but it's unlikely when the starting point is the scenario outlined.
    To answer

    Is post covid Tory Britain worse than post financial crisis Labour Britain? - no

    Is Tory Britain worse than Social Democrat Germany or Socialist Party Spain or Portugal, or centrist France? no - possibly worst in Germany

    Do we actually have austerity now? - no I dont belileve so - see below though.

    Did Labour oppose austerity a decade ago? - yes

    Is life at the bottom really harder now than 12, 15 years ago? - inflation caused by various external factors didnt help but coming bacj down to within range now.

    If so, are these all the result of the UK govt or are other factors at play? - other factors as we know, Covid, Ukraine, Brexit uncertainty - now mostly gone.

    Where we remove the Tories from many policies such as in Wales, do there problems get much better? - worse. Labour over spent the budget by 900,000,000 (20% of the budget I think) and has now cut every one of the Senedd's dept spending - apart from climate change. Drakeford doing his own austerity now.
    That's more or less my assessment. Although Labour did support austerity, although perhaps it wouldn't have continued as long under them.

    I don't think we are remotely better off living in Wales. Not one bit, perhaps aside from the generally cheaper housing.

    There's a lot of societal changes too that have happened in the last decade or more. Now the govt could (and in my opinion should) have mitigated these more, but things like mobile phones, the internet, technological changes, WFH, even social media, Instagram etc..it changes how we interact and is making us unhappier IMO.

    None of it means the govt come off scot-free. Not at all. I just don't think its much better elsewhere and I don't think it would be much different under another govt.

    This idea of a "tory cost of living crisis". That basically ignores the millions and millions of people essentially experiencing the same issues across the whole of the west

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    As sure as Tuesday follows Monday the ccmb young conservatives appear with the yeah but no but yeah what about bollocks

    It's nauseating

    Tax cuts ......oh blimey an election is on its way , the tories are cutting tax when the public finances are in a fecking load of pig swill

    Absolute snake oil salesmen and complete chancers

    I can't wait till they get leathered at the election , poor old penny mordant with her pathetic stand up and fight clown show

    Bunch of liars

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    As sure as Tuesday follows Monday the ccmb young conservatives appear with the yeah but no but yeah what about bollocks

    It's nauseating

    Tax cuts ......oh blimey an election is on its way , the tories are cutting tax when the public finances are in a fecking load of pig swill

    Absolute snake oil salesmen and complete chancers

    I can't wait till they get leathered at the election , poor old penny mordant with her pathetic stand up and fight clown show

    Bunch of liars
    Why not answer some of the points ?
    As well as compare to how we are doing in terms of cancer wait times, education results, 'road building', infrastructure, Senedd budget cuts - that sort of thing..

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    Why not answer some of the points ?
    As well as compare to how we are doing in terms of cancer wait times, education results, 'road building', infrastructure, Senedd budget cuts - that sort of thing..
    Answer the questions without insulting the posters asking them. Now that would be a fine thing!

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Answer the questions without insulting the posters asking them. Now that would be a fine thing!
    It’s difficult not to insult Tories. Evil is evil.

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Blue View Post
    It’s difficult not to insult Tories. Evil is evil.
    Good one.

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Because they aren't very good at adapting to different situations, conservatism is basically the application of low risk policies that have always just about worked. They don't take into account extraordinary circumstances so for example, when debt was super cheap, they weren't borrowing to build, they were cutting and celebrating those cuts as if they were winning.

    The main problem is however that the UK is in terminal decline, hastened by brexit and we all have very little to look forward to.

    People seem so numb to the fact that real terms incomes for middle earners have reduced so drastically in 10 years that it is pretty much unprecedented. Rising prices, frozen tax bands and below inflation pay rises eventually mean you can't afford a loaf of bread with your monthly take home, at some point this has to reverse otherwise the future is inevitable.

    Oh and house prices, it's a perfect storm of shit.

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    Why not answer some of the points ?
    As well as compare to how we are doing in terms of cancer wait times, education results, 'road building', infrastructure, Senedd budget cuts - that sort of thing..
    I am not interesting in political debate with tory boys

    You lot are weasels with more faces that a town hall clock

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Blue View Post
    It’s difficult not to insult Tories. Evil is evil.
    I can't be having anything to do with these ferrets

    Fancy sitting in a cafe having a cuppa with someone who is going to vote for cuts to welfare and social services .....

    It's like sleeping with the enemy

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I can't be having anything to do with these ferrets

    Fancy sitting in a cafe having a cuppa with someone who is going to vote for cuts to welfare and social services .....

    It's like sleeping with the enemy
    Jesus H Christ - you are such an imbecile 99% of the time

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Ye gods....what a shower we have trying to run the UK..and I include all parties.
    I have always voted Conservative in my life.....but ...just LOOK at this photo of animated backslapping..Pathetic:
    ye gods.JPG

    Beyond belief...when they reverse what they previously already introduced mostly...and which Liz Truss was sacked for...

    A sensible comment: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ag-stealth-tax

    We need an Oliver Cromwell...or at least vote for the Reform Party....

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by Maurice Swan View Post
    Ye gods....what a shower we have trying to run the UK..and I include all parties.
    I have always voted Conservative in my life.....but ...just LOOK at this photo of animated backslapping..Pathetic:
    ye gods.JPG

    Beyond belief...when they reverse what they previously already introduced mostly...and which Liz Truss was sacked for...

    A sensible comment: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ag-stealth-tax

    We need an Oliver Cromwell...or at least vote for the Reform Party....
    Did they do enough today for you to pack your bags and come back to Blighty?

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