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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    Take out the word Tory and insert Muslim, Jew, Black, Pakistani, English, and that sums up your overall attitude to life in general. Either people have to agree with you or they are blah blah blah.

    Sorry - but that is the way you are.
    I don't like Tories

    I don't discrimate on the grounds of their colour or religion or what country they come from

    I dislike Suella Braverman because she's a raving tory not because she's of Asian origin or because she married a Jewish bloke

    And it's the same for you

    I am afraid you are not allowed in

    Sorry

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I don't like Tories

    I don't discrimate on the grounds of their colour or religion or what country they come from

    I dislike Suella Braverman because she's a raving tory not because she's of Asian origin or because she married a Jewish bloke

    And it's the same for you

    I am afraid you are not allowed in

    Sorry
    You live among them, Friday and Saturday nights trying to smooze into the posh totty 😂😂😂😂

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathblue View Post
    You live among them, Friday and Saturday nights trying to smooze into the posh totty 😂😂😂😂
    😂

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I don't like Tories

    I don't discrimate on the grounds of their colour or religion or what country they come from

    I dislike Suella Braverman because she's a raving tory not because she's of Asian origin or because she married a Jewish bloke

    And it's the same for you

    I am afraid you are not allowed in

    Sorry
    Honest at least, but just to be clear:

    bigot
    /ˈbɪɡət/
    noun
    a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
    "don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"

  5. #55

    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    https://x.com/statsjamie/status/1725...LhmySD2aRt-GNg

    Meanwhile,


    When Drakeford was caught out misleading Parliament on WhatsApp use

    07 Nov - I've never had any deletion arrangements on the phone…I dont use WhatsApp.

    14 Nov - You do have WhatsApp on your phone and you do make use of it?

    Drakeford - the answer to both questions is yes

  6. #56

    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Honest at least, but just to be clear:

    bigot
    /ˈbɪɡət/
    noun
    a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
    "don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"

    I think it's perfectly reasonable to dislike conservatives and I am afraid that's the way it is

    I'm not the kind of person to sit in a pub and let tory bores like you drone on and on about how you work hard , pay your taxes and nobody else understands economics like you

    You can get back in your sanctimonious well heeled little box like the other chump

  7. #57

    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    https://x.com/statsjamie/status/1725...LhmySD2aRt-GNg

    Meanwhile,


    When Drakeford was caught out misleading Parliament on WhatsApp use

    07 Nov - I've never had any deletion arrangements on the phone…I dont use WhatsApp.

    14 Nov - You do have WhatsApp on your phone and you do make use of it?

    Drakeford - the answer to both questions is yes
    I think I want him gone as much as anyone but are you suggesting that this shows drakeford is a clown and nobody else is ?

    There is plenty of stuff that be thrown at the big farmer boy representing the conservatives in that video

  8. #58

    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Honest at least, but just to be clear:

    bigot
    /ˈbɪɡət/
    noun
    a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
    "don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"
    Summed him up perfectly

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Honest at least, but just to be clear:

    bigot
    /ˈbɪɡət/
    noun
    a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
    "don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"
    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I think it's perfectly reasonable to dislike conservatives and I am afraid that's the way it is

    I'm not the kind of person to sit in a pub and let tory bores like you drone on and on about how you work hard , pay your taxes and nobody else understands economics like you

    You can get back in your sanctimonious well heeled little box like the other chump
    James throws 'bigot' around all the time.

    But his own definition says it is about someone 'unreasonably antagonistic' towards people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

    James (and pipster) clearly have their own definition of unreasonable (one the High Court wouldn't accept). Mine is closer to yours Sludge. It is absolutely reasonable to be antagonistic to a group of people who enable actions that harm others - through their political choices, the values they promote and the actions they support.

    I never liked the Tories (wasn't an enthusiastic supporter of the alternative parties either) but my antagonism towards them was baked in during the Miners Strike. They sometimes throw up some more sympathetic faces, they sometimes make sensible policy decisions, but their default is to wrap themselves in the union flag, wave the King James bible and reduce the state so that those in need are dependent on charity. I am antagonistic toward people who think and behave like that (and for now that includes Starmer and his mates if not the whole Labour Party which still hangs on to some different values).

    And when it comes to groups it matters if those are groups you are born into or ones you freely choose to join or support. Anyone who is antagonistic toward people because of their race, ethnicity, gender/sex, religion/culture, disability etc is despicable and sick. We can and should debate the way those inherited characteristics play out - especially the cultural aspects - but where there is no choice the question of reasonableness doesn't arise.

    But there is a clear choice about which party programme to support. People are not born Tory, Labour or Plaid. They aren't born to enjoy killing wild animals. They aren't born to exploit or be part of criminal gangs fleecing pensioners of their savings. It is completely right and reasonable to be antagonistic to people who become members of groups that cause harm. I include the Tories in that. James and his friend clearly don't but that is because they like what the Tories do and say - not because they are on the right side of something called bigotry.

  10. #60

    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    I don't throw it around. I've used it to describe perhaps 2-3 posters on here if they behave behaviour that matches the definition of a bigot.

    The problem is that people will of course have different definitions of what is reasonable. Others will find Labour unreasonable, or the SNP or Muslims or Christians or gay people, or those who don't work etc. They will all justify it

    But if you take those beliefs and judge that entire group based on your prejudice and then insult and pour insults and stereotypes into the public discourse based on it, you are only adding to the toxic atmosphere around and also not getting anywhere at all.

    Imagine someone in a public meeting on this topic and all they do is shout and insult. They would be asked to leave

  11. #61

    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    James throws 'bigot' around all the time.

    But his own definition says it is about someone 'unreasonably antagonistic' towards people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

    James (and pipster) clearly have their own definition of unreasonable (one the High Court wouldn't accept). Mine is closer to yours Sludge. It is absolutely reasonable to be antagonistic to a group of people who enable actions that harm others - through their political choices, the values they promote and the actions they support.

    I never liked the Tories (wasn't an enthusiastic supporter of the alternative parties either) but my antagonism towards them was baked in during the Miners Strike. They sometimes throw up some more sympathetic faces, they sometimes make sensible policy decisions, but their default is to wrap themselves in the union flag, wave the King James bible and reduce the state so that those in need are dependent on charity. I am antagonistic toward people who think and behave like that (and for now that includes Starmer and his mates if not the whole Labour Party which still hangs on to some different values).

    And when it comes to groups it matters if those are groups you are born into or ones you freely choose to join or support. Anyone who is antagonistic toward people because of their race, ethnicity, gender/sex, religion/culture, disability etc is despicable and sick. We can and should debate the way those inherited characteristics play out - especially the cultural aspects - but where there is no choice the question of reasonableness doesn't arise.

    But there is a clear choice about which party programme to support. People are not born Tory, Labour or Plaid. They aren't born to enjoy killing wild animals. They aren't born to exploit or be part of criminal gangs fleecing pensioners of their savings. It is completely right and reasonable to be antagonistic to people who become members of groups that cause harm. I include the Tories in that. James and his friend clearly don't but that is because they like what the Tories do and say - not because they are on the right side of something called bigotry.
    Absolutely my philosophy too

  12. #62

    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    James throws 'bigot' around all the time.

    But his own definition says it is about someone 'unreasonably antagonistic' towards people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

    James (and pipster) clearly have their own definition of unreasonable (one the High Court wouldn't accept). Mine is closer to yours Sludge. It is absolutely reasonable to be antagonistic to a group of people who enable actions that harm others - through their political choices, the values they promote and the actions they support.

    I never liked the Tories (wasn't an enthusiastic supporter of the alternative parties either) but my antagonism towards them was baked in during the Miners Strike. They sometimes throw up some more sympathetic faces, they sometimes make sensible policy decisions, but their default is to wrap themselves in the union flag, wave the King James bible and reduce the state so that those in need are dependent on charity. I am antagonistic toward people who think and behave like that (and for now that includes Starmer and his mates if not the whole Labour Party which still hangs on to some different values).

    And when it comes to groups it matters if those are groups you are born into or ones you freely choose to join or support. Anyone who is antagonistic toward people because of their race, ethnicity, gender/sex, religion/culture, disability etc is despicable and sick. We can and should debate the way those inherited characteristics play out - especially the cultural aspects - but where there is no choice the question of reasonableness doesn't arise.

    But there is a clear choice about which party programme to support. People are not born Tory, Labour or Plaid. They aren't born to enjoy killing wild animals. They aren't born to exploit or be part of criminal gangs fleecing pensioners of their savings. It is completely right and reasonable to be antagonistic to people who become members of groups that cause harm. I include the Tories in that. James and his friend clearly don't but that is because they like what the Tories do and say - not because they are on the right side of something called bigotry.
    Very very well put Jon, my thoughts exactly.

    What next? People who decry and detest Hamas or Paedophiles will be construed as bigots I suppose.

  13. #63

    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    Very very well put Jon, my thoughts exactly.

    What next? People who decry and detest Hamas or Paedophiles will be construed as bigots I suppose.
    The problem with that response , which I agree with , is that it will just bring more yeah but no nonsense in from the tory boys

    And that's precisely why I have as little to do with them as I can

    I try to socialise with like minded people and tory thinking people are not on the menu

    If I was at a party and some tory boy wax going on and on about Thatcher, privatisation , low taxation , blah blah blah I would eventually have to give him a leathering with a chicken drumstick and throw him out

  14. #64

    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    The problem with that response , which I agree with , is that it will just bring more yeah but no nonsense in from the tory boys

    And that's precisely why I have as little to do with them as I can

    I try to socialise with like minded people and tory thinking people are not on the menu

    If I was at a party and some tory boy wax going on and on about Thatcher, privatisation , low taxation , blah blah blah I would eventually have to give him a leathering with a chicken drumstick and throw him out
    Would you refuse medical treatment if you knew the Dr or consultant was a Conservative voter ?
    Maybe your surgeon for your dodgy knee was a Hamas hating Israeli - would you accept him as your surgeon ?

  15. #65

    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    Blair - did he only care about himself ? , what about Lord Kinnock, MP pension, MEP pension, EU commissioner pension (whilst employing his son and his wife) before they also both became MEPs - a real man of the people there.
    How about Geoff Hoon with his private consultancy work whilst defence secretary, Mandelson and the cash for passports - the list is endless on both sides.

    Rachel Reeves and her own book - copy and pasted from wikipedia, or perhaps the leadership skills or Angie Raynor - cant wait for that sh1t show to happen.

    Gordon announces he has ended boom and bust - just before he bust's the economy with his light hand on the finance regs. Once you have been around the block a few times your start to see the pattern. 12 years in power for Blair / Brown - 13 years for the tories - too much for any party. Yet in Wales we have 26 years of Labour....
    never mind the gordon lets buy diesel idea , now that has really ben a lssting legacy and fecked up the poor , business costs due to transport costs , and poor get fecked over again , its alright though hes wearing a red rosette and is singing keep the red flag flying , woof,woof ..

    20 mph , ULEZ that will fix it well not fr the poor who cannot afford the electric cars and fines

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    Very very well put Jon, my thoughts exactly.

    What next? People who decry and detest Hamas or Paedophiles will be construed as bigots I suppose.
    I hate Hamas and Paedophiles can I get a badge PLEASE

  17. #67

    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    Very very well put Jon, my thoughts exactly.

    What next? People who decry and detest Hamas or Paedophiles will be construed as bigots I suppose.
    The fact you would compare sexual child abuse to voting for a centre-right political party demonstrates my point on bigotry superbly.

    Thanks Dorcus! 👍

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    Would you refuse medical treatment if you knew the Dr or consultant was a Conservative voter ?
    Maybe your surgeon for your dodgy knee was a Hamas hating Israeli - would you accept him as your surgeon ?
    I can walk away from boring Tories like you in a pub or the office party and I do

    If I am on the operating table it's different and of course the heart consultant , if he is a tory , and that's generally not the case , then boring the crap out of me with his politics or telling me I will pay less tax under the conservatives is unlikely to happen

    Tory boys do slip through though .....that odious creep Dr Liam fox is an ex gp and Scottish too

    He's a tosser I certainly would avoid unless he was my last hope

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    The fact you would compare sexual child abuse to voting for a centre-right political party demonstrates my point on bigotry superbly.

    Thanks Dorcus! 👍
    Thatcher , Jimmy Saville

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I can walk away from boring Tories like you in a pub or the office party and I do

    If I am on the operating table it's different and of course the heart consultant , if he is a tory , and that's generally not the case , then boring the crap out of me with his politics or telling me I will pay less tax under the conservatives is unlikely to happen

    Tory boys do slip through though .....that odious creep Dr Liam fox is an ex gp and Scottish too

    He's a tosser I certainly would avoid unless he was my last hope
    🤣

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
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    Tell us all that disgusting story about that poor old ex para that was beaten up by those horrible dirty lefty Palestinian types recently ?

    The story you used to push your pathetic right wing, pro Israel agenda?

    The story that proved to be utter bullshit and made up by a liar ?

    The story and lies that led to loads of neo nazi types threatening people of Arabic origin ?

    Tell us all about how you have totally condemned that lying , no good right wing nonsense ?

    Here is your chance

  22. #72

    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Tell us all that disgusting story about that poor old ex para that was beaten up by those horrible dirty lefty Palestinian types recently ?

    The story you used to push your pathetic right wing, pro Israel agenda?

    The story that proved to be utter bullshit and made up by a liar ?

    The story and lies that led to loads of neo nazi types threatening people of Arabic origin ?

    Tell us all about how you have totally condemned that lying , no good right wing nonsense ?

    Here is your chance
    I'm starting to see how you became such a gullible bigot.

    Because even when you can see things with your very own eyes, such as the fact I barely referenced that story at all and the fact that the police not charging someone doesn't mean it didn't happen (unless you also think 90% of women who are raped are also liars?) Despite that, it still doesn't stop you from totally misrepresenting it. As you know I was highlighting the rise in antisemitism and it's use by a minority on the recent marches. You know that, so stop lying.

    I'll always condemn lying. Starting on this occasion with you.

    Sorry for laughing too. I didn't realise you were being serious.

  23. #73

    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Ye gods....what a shower we have trying to run the UK..and I include all parties.
    I have always voted Conservative in my life.....but ...just LOOK at this photo of animated backslapping..Pathetic:
    ye gods.JPG

    Beyond belief...when they reverse what they previously already introduced mostly...and which Liz Truss was sacked for...

    A sensible comment: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ag-stealth-tax

    We need an Oliver Cromwell...or at least vote for the Reform Party....

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by Maurice Swan View Post
    Ye gods....what a shower we have trying to run the UK..and I include all parties.
    I have always voted Conservative in my life.....but ...just LOOK at this photo of animated backslapping..Pathetic:
    ye gods.JPG

    Beyond belief...when they reverse what they previously already introduced mostly...and which Liz Truss was sacked for...

    A sensible comment: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ag-stealth-tax

    We need an Oliver Cromwell...or at least vote for the Reform Party....
    Did they do enough today for you to pack your bags and come back to Blighty?

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    Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    I'm starting to see how you became such a gullible bigot.

    Because even when you can see things with your very own eyes, such as the fact I barely referenced that story at all and the fact that the police not charging someone doesn't mean it didn't happen (unless you also think 90% of women who are raped are also liars?) Despite that, it still doesn't stop you from totally misrepresenting it. As you know I was highlighting the rise in antisemitism and it's use by a minority on the recent marches. You know that, so stop lying.

    I'll always condemn lying. Starting on this occasion with you.

    Sorry for laughing too. I didn't realise you were being serious.
    You lying tory spoilt kid

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