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Thread: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

  1. #51

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    As for the train station are there any plans to rip up cardiff central as , unless money is the object we surely need a bigger station
    IIRC Network Rail owns the station and there was talk of redeveloping it about 10 years ago that came to nothing. Can't see anything happening any time soon.

  2. #52

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by nomad blue View Post
    IIRC Network Rail owns the station and there was talk of redeveloping it about 10 years ago that came to nothing. Can't see anything happening any time soon.
    If new stations are opened to take pressure off central that would be good

    Say queen's Street expansion

    Or this much talked about Eastern Parkway

    But if nothing happens surely just adding another platform on the southern end , by the existing car park ...to cater for Cardiff Bay.....is just faffing about ?

  3. #53

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    2026 ?

    Ff sake

    If Bristol build one before us then that will be first on the big gig circuit and get established

    I read that the capacity is going to be reduced which isn't a bad thing

    15000 seems a bit ambitious

    Big arenas in the UK from Scotland down ....

    Glasgow
    Newcastle
    Leeds
    Sheffield
    Manchester
    Liverpool
    Nottingham
    Birmingham
    London

    Then Cardiff , if its built ?

    That's a huge arc of Swansea, Cardiff , Newport , Valleys , Bristol , Bath , Gloucester , Swindon, Exeter

    I suppose Southampton , Portsmouth etc would come under Brighton Arena

    So it's between us and the wurzels

    I would think if or when Bristol build anything then the extra hour to us will be a factor

    This has taken years
    They have had extensive discussions with local residents which has obviously slowed things up. I'd say that is a good thing though.

  4. #54

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Are Live Nation involved in Bristol? If they’re not then it will never be competition for a Live Nation run Cardiff arena.

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    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by nomad blue View Post
    IIRC Network Rail owns the station and there was talk of redeveloping it about 10 years ago that came to nothing. Can't see anything happening any time soon.
    Like the bus station, it'll be on commuter wish lists for years yet.

  6. #56

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    He's not a city Councillor, he's a Welsh assembly representative
    And you don't think that the Welsh Assembly has any influence over the City Council ?!! Drakeford and his cronies will be all over this like a rash. The only access to any new stadium will be by bus, tram, train or on foot. Or by luxury diesel limousine, so that ‘dignitaries’ can gain full and easy access.

  7. #57

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    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    And you don't think that the Welsh Assembly has any influence over the City Council ?!! Drakeford and his cronies will be all over this like a rash. The only access to any new stadium will be by bus, tram, train or on foot. Or by luxury diesel limousine, so that ‘dignitaries’ can gain full and easy access.
    Forgive me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any significant car park specifically provided for the Principality Stadium and that does fine, and was built 24 years ago. It's hardly a new idea.

    Would you rather the arena be built in some random outer suburb that gets flooded with thousands of car users? That sounds appealing.

  8. #58

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    Quote Originally Posted by Der Kaiser View Post
    Forgive me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any significant car park specifically provided for the Principality Stadium and that does fine, and was built 24 years ago. It's hardly a new idea.

    Would you rather the arena be built in some random outer suburb that gets flooded with thousands of car users? That sounds appealing.
    I would think it would be better just off the M4 with a dedicated train station , car parks etc

    The NEC Birmingham is an example

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    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by Der Kaiser View Post
    Forgive me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any significant car park specifically provided for the Principality Stadium and that does fine, and was built 24 years ago. It's hardly a new idea.

    Would you rather the arena be built in some random outer suburb that gets flooded with thousands of car users? That sounds appealing.
    and the council makes a fortune by closing off the streets behind City Hall where you can normally park fora couple of quid and charge people £10 or more for the same facility.

  10. #60

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
    Ours will be better than Bristols as long as Drippy has nothing to do with it.
    Why would he? What's his connection with Cardiff Council?

  11. #61

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    And you don't think that the Welsh Assembly has any influence over the City Council ?!! Drakeford and his cronies will be all over this like a rash. The only access to any new stadium will be by bus, tram, train or on foot. Or by luxury diesel limousine, so that ‘dignitaries’ can gain full and easy access.
    When did you graduate with your PhD in talking bollocks?

  12. #62

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I would think it would be better just off the M4 with a dedicated train station , car parks etc

    The NEC Birmingham is an example
    Why are you comparing to the NEC? The NEC is a huge event and exhbition space in the middle of the country.

    You are comparing apples with oranges.

  13. #63

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    I have a place in Atlantic Wharf so I've taken an interest in this. There isn't any car parking so far as I'm aware. Hemingway Road will be blocked off and access to the south entrance to Schooner Way also blocked when there is an event on. There were discussions about giving some sort of access to residents but it's been rejected. So access would be via the Tyndall Road end.

  14. #64

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost View Post
    I have a place in Atlantic Wharf so I've taken an interest in this. There isn't any car parking so far as I'm aware. Hemingway Road will be blocked off and access to the south entrance to Schooner Way also blocked when there is an event on. There were discussions about giving some sort of access to residents but it's been rejected. So access would be via the Tyndall Road end.
    Do you live near the top end of Atlantic wharf ?

    Near the old wharf pub if it's still there ?

    Where the canal runs into the Dock?

  15. #65

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Do you live near the top end of Atlantic wharf ?

    Near the old wharf pub if it's still there ?

    Where the canal runs into the Dock?
    I don't live there FT but yes.

  16. #66

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    Why are you comparing to the NEC? The NEC is a huge event and exhbition space in the middle of the country.

    You are comparing apples with oranges.
    Leeds Arena , located just off the A64 M , the link road around Leeds

    To explain that to you think the Coryton interchange at the bottom of the A470

    Leeds arena is about the same size of what we might have

    So I hope that's a perfect example for you and it hasn't been too difficult for you to understand

  17. #67

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost View Post
    I don't live there FT but yes.
    Can I park in your place to go fishing in the canal ?

  18. #68

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Leeds Arena , located just off the A64 M , the link road around Leeds

    To explain that to you think the Coryton interchange at the bottom of the A470

    Leeds arena is about the same size of what we might have

    So I hope that's a perfect example for you and it hasn't been too difficult for you to understand
    Better in the city centre, but with a dedicated public transport system, park and rides etc. That's what is lacking, and people will take the risk of getting caught up in traffic if the costs are negligible. An arena in the centre brings business to the pubs, restaurants, shops etc, creates jobs, a vibrant city centre has much more value than an arena on the out skirts of town, same could be said of a football stadium. The problem is public transport.

  19. #69

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Can I park in your place to go fishing in the canal ?
    Atlantic Wharf Fishing Club has permission to use our car park which is a bit further towards Tyndall Street. Access is controlled by phone and only those registered can use it. They obviously have some arrangement but I don't know what it is I'm afraid. Send them a message?

  20. #70

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I would think it would be better just off the M4 with a dedicated train station , car parks etc

    The NEC Birmingham is an example
    Well that's not happening, it's based in Wales

  21. #71

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Leeds Arena , located just off the A64 M , the link road around Leeds

    To explain that to you think the Coryton interchange at the bottom of the A470

    Leeds arena is about the same size of what we might have

    So I hope that's a perfect example for you and it hasn't been too difficult for you to understand
    Leeds Arena is just off the city centre you moron. Coryton roundabout is about 5 miles away from Cardiff City centre.

    You would argue black is white rather than see someone else’s point. You should transgender to being a woman.

  22. #72

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Leeds Arena , located just off the A64 M , the link road around Leeds

    To explain that to you think the Coryton interchange at the bottom of the A470

    Leeds arena is about the same size of what we might have

    So I hope that's a perfect example for you and it hasn't been too difficult for you to understand
    Leeds Arena is closer to the city centre than the proposed Bay Arena.

    It’s probably about as far from the centre of Leeds as the Civic Centre is from Cardiff.

  23. #73

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    Leeds Arena is closer to the city centre than the proposed Bay Arena.

    It’s probably about as far from the centre of Leeds as the Civic Centre is from Cardiff.
    Without checking, i would have thought that most of these Arenas would be within a few miles of a City Centre and not off some motorway junction. They're not airports.

  24. #74

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    Leeds Arena is closer to the city centre than the proposed Bay Arena.

    It’s probably about as far from the centre of Leeds as the Civic Centre is from Cardiff.
    15 minute walk if you are lucky

    It's just off the ring road

    What sort of road system has Cardiff got to deal with a big venue so close to the city ?

    Leeds is surrounded by major road systems to disperse traffic quickly

    We have the A4232 ......and that's it

    Building these things in the middle of city's isn't a great idea

    I wouldn't want to be living in South Cardiff when a gig or event is going on . Which could be 4 nights a week .

    And if CCFC are at home ?

    Good luck with all that

  25. #75

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Without checking, i would have thought that most of these Arenas would be within a few miles of a City Centre and not off some motorway junction. They're not airports.
    Most of these arenas have decent motorway systems to disperse traffic

    Leeds , Manchester , Sheffield

    We have a few noddy roads

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