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I thought this was your specialist subject? You are adept at copying & pasting the fear elements, but what about the solution, it's implementation, and the effect on peoples lives? Not everybody can depart life without a care in the world, as they have families, kids & grandchildren, and they want to know what kind of future they will be leaving behind.Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
It's obvious that Starmer has sold out to corporate interests which is why he's U turned on basically every pledge he made.
He won't get my vote.
I'm no fan of Starmer, but I don't think he's sold out to corporate interests - he's basically just happy to do or say anything that he thinks will get him into power - this will have been a calculation that the flack that he will take from ditching it will be less damaging than the potential criticism of being financially reckless in a discourse in the general public that is usually skewed to the right of centre.
So partially beholden to corporate interests in the media at least, sure, but I think that more reflects the reality of the political system we have rather that selling out.
Someone like Corbyn would never play that game and would stick to their beliefs - I would love Corbyn to have been prime minister, but it is never going to happen in the current climate, he would have been torn to shreds by now, instead of sitting on a 25 point lead. Corbyn is just as much affected by the right wing media in trying not to play their game than Starmer is in playing it.
As for not voting for Labour because Starmer has sold out to corporate interests -in a 2 party first past the post system, that only benefits the Tories - who are basically only there to further corporate intetrests.
Far too simple an explanation for me. The idea that societies, networks, ways of working, delivery, funding etc are wholly determined by who is in national govt is wrong. And because that's wrong it means it won't change with a new govt.
Of course it's a complimentary factor, a big one, but there is so much going on in the world of work and in society and it is waaaay overlooked as a factor by those seeking to make a political point of it.
The clearest demonstration of this is that different councils, hospitals etc perform differently. Birmingham Council for example spunked £80m on an IT project. That's nothing to do with central govt. Likewise, it it made much difference we would have much better services here in Wales, yet we don't.
Things like working from home, immigration, covid, society changing and becoming more digital are far bigger factors.
Very little will change under a Labour central government unless underlying issues and causes are addressed and I hold little hope of that.
We are an unhappy, paranoid, lazy, inefficient, short term thinking, increasingly isolated society. Tories did not make that better but they didn't cause it either
You must be a better swimmer than me or a faster runner to get to the high ground.
Are you forgetting the pandemic?
A couple of years old, but i doubt if today's graph would be much different
Imagine being that much of a nutter in the UK you glue yourself to the road for 0.09%
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I'm not defending glueing oneself to the road but even though we emit 0.09% our government has influence globally, so it's not so fool hardy to lobby our government in order to try and implement change globally.A couple of years old, but i doubt if today's graph would be much different
Imagine being that much of a nutter in the UK you glue yourself to the road for 0.09%
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I don't understand your stance on climate change, you don't seem to deny that the globes warming, you just don't want to do anything about it or live a more clean, sustainable and responsible life.
How the fcuk are they going to do that? The rest of the world are ditching the dollar and joining BRICS. It's only the West that thinks it a good idea commit collective suicide.
thought your post needed some slight alteration
How the fcuk are they going to do that? The rest of the world are ditching the dollar and joining BRICS. It's only the West that thinks it a good idea commit ECONOMIC suicide.
Collective suicide is a synonym for general madness, mutual demise, corporate death, mass sacrifice, etc., and economic suicide is a part of that too, but there will be a lot more to it besides economic failure and we will be looking at a dystopian future for those who we leave behind.
It won't be economic suicide, we can lead the world in new tech and move away from petrol and gas. We can be leaders
Can we ?
Hope your right but where i,m standing the BRICs countries are going from strength to strength and from what i,m reading are accelerating there growth using lots of coal and gas
India is going to be the next powerhouse Yes another BRICS country
Four countries - ���� China, ���� India, the ���� US and ���� Indonesia - are set to contribute more than half of the world's economic growth over the next five years, according to IMF forecasts
Mate, you are reading the wrong news sources, and you are going to be sent to a re-education camp one of these days
bring it on after all Doucas thinks us old buggers are thick as shyteMate, you are reading the wrong news sources, and you are going to be sent to a re-education camp one of these days
We were educated by Johnny Rotten, and we know when we've been cheatedbring it on after all Doucas thinks us old buggers are thick as shyte
bring it on after all Doucas thinks us old buggers are thick as shyte
Well we've got flat earthers on here, so yeah I think you lot are thick.
Not a single one of you denialists have been able to answer this basic question.
What is the physical process that scientists say is causing man made climate change and what about that process do you disagree with? I've asked 50+ times. Guarantee you can't answer it :)
They've been ditching the dollar for how long now? Also, China are adopting renewables all the time. China are massively into renewables and EV's. Technology is going to solve this problem and it won't be mass economic suicide. You talk about dystopian futures....that's what's in store if we don't start living a more sustainable and responsible existence.
China are not currently in the process of destroying their own economy, neither are India, etc. However, China has adopted digital control measures to ensure that their population has a right way of thinking, which will also be coming here, so we are facing a double whammy of economic demise and freedom of speech restrictions.
Ninian opinion, Just to set the record straight, I 100 % believe that the planet is subject to climate change, however, Anthropogenic climate change IMO, is nothing more than a lock step of government backed and funded scientists claiming the same thing, just in the way the government backed and funded scientists went all in with convid 19, and just like convid 19 any other independent equally qualified scientist who dared to offer an alternative view is cancelled, slandered and if possible has their credentials removed and are refused a debate on the topic, the scientists behind the Barrington declaration being the prime example, possibly the world leading virologist Geert van den Bosshe has been very eloquent with his opinion that to vaccinate your way out of a pandemic is quite simply horse shit, the interview I watched of him on the Highwire was unlike anything I heard at the time and since, he may well have been incorrect but the red flag was his opinion was ignored. I’ve said it before and I’ll keep saying it, I’ve been told too may times in my lifetime about the impending apocalypse because of anthropogenic climate change in some sort or another, that I have children and grand children I’m all in for a cleaner and better environment but!!! To be told by these lying charlatans again that we must have net zero by insert year then just **** em, everything is about taking off John Doe!!! and taxing us to fk and back to achieve their solution and doing everything themselves in abundance the things that they would like to remove from us, where possible I do a bit to reduce my pollution and that’s fine, instead of jumping into my Jam Jar in the morning getting warm and protected from the elements, I’ll get up 45 mins earlier than I need to, and suffer Transport Wales by using the choo choo, as a bus pass holder never take my Jam Jar to town or other local trips and use leg power, we are informed that the earth moves around the sun and that the moon revolves around the earth I’m all in for the sun having the biggest influence on our climate than any other factor, a few ICE ages over billions of years would suggest that something other than the Anthropogenic model is the root cause, I couldn’t prove this of course, just like the scientists cannot prove their Anthropogenic model, we now have young children being frightened to death by these fkin faaar left nutters who have taken over the institutions with this indoctrination and I like sticking my two fingers up to them. Lets just accept the Anthropogenic model for a minute, the UK at 0.9% and wanting to tax the shit out of us whilst the current global power that is China laughing their bollox off building x amount of coal fired power station each year.
So yes 100% climate change.
Anthropogenic model 100% No, it's nothing more than a theory.
Until someone can prove otherwise in a consensus of scientists on both of the sides of the aisle without funding from Gates, Government’s and the WEF i.e. totally independent.
In a nutshell, the anthropogenic model = population control, and some people on here are actually demanding that it happens.
Agree, add in money laundering and wealth accumulation for the few.
None of these measures will affect the people who have real money and large assets, it's only for the plebeians.Agree, add in money laundering and wealth accumulation for the few.
It's pure greed that's all, a billionaire wants 2 billion, Musk wants more than Zuck etc. in these circles its about the pecking order, me? i just want to wake up tomorrow morning and live another day.
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