How the worm has turned with this one
Many using this as a stick to beat the club with because of their irrational loathing on Tan.
Cries of “just pay them!” have gone down to next to none.
Hope we get everything we deserve
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How the worm has turned with this one
Many using this as a stick to beat the club with because of their irrational loathing on Tan.
Cries of “just pay them!” have gone down to next to none.
Hope we get everything we deserve
Agreed and hopefully all the people who derided the clubs position on this will then stand up and apologise to Tan and the club for the disgraceful way they behaved over a matter where it has become obvious that the real villainy lies elsewhere.Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
Agreed, easy to say pay it when it's not their money!
Usually the Scam supporters who still think he can do no wrong because he gives them a call every now and then. It’s also very easy to spend someone else’s money.
I thought we were forced to pay them? But our insurance finally paid out so nothing lost……I’d love to see Nantes get done over for this, and their dodgy agents who didn’t give a monkeys about Sala.
Interesting to note that, between them, the three recent Trust posts about the current state of the legal claim against FC Nantes, the action to reclaim documents and data from Mckay and the contribution to the Sala family trust fund have now received almost 150k views on Twitter (I still cant bring myself to call it X).
Hopefully ,they will indicate to people how the Trust gets involved in important football issues as they impact on our club and encourage more fans to sign up for Trust membership.
Keith
What did our insurance finally pay out?
I thought the club reached a financial settlement with the insurance broker when we sued them but it was never suggested the Sala fee was covered by that.
I always thought that it was ruled that sala was our player and we had to pay Nantes for him. Suing McKay is a separate issue, nothing to do with the transfer fee. I can't ever recall anyone supporting Mckay, which is what this litigation is about. Fans who said that the club should pay up were right, because the club did.
Well how come there was no payment made by the PFA because he "wasn't our player because the registration wasn't completed" ?
Don't know, but the club paid the transfer fee, after appealing it as well.
Let’s hope that the club never parade a ’potential’ signing in City kit alongside Ken Choo until all relevant paperwork has been completed. It was a bit ‘Here’s our new signing’ when he was alive becoming ‘He’s definitely not our player’ a few days later after the tragedy.
The issue is simply that the club had completed the signing, but messed up the EPL registration. Hence, EUFA/CAS ruling he was our player but the PFA having no liability as he was not registered with the EPL.
What this episode has shown is that Fifa needs to get a grip of transfers and put rules in place. You have some organisations saying he's our player and others saying he isn't. The whole situation is a mess
There are rules in place I think, it's just some clubs jump the gun, like saying look at my new house just before completion. They are just trying to time things to make the fans happy.
I understand where you are coming from regarding clubs announcing signings before pen is put to paper but this situation appears to have some organisations saying the transfer is complete and others saying it isn't, possibly due to an issue with a piece of paperwork.
What this show is there aren't clear rules in place that all stakeholders must adhere to which is allowing some to wriggle out of responsibilities and allowing lawyers to coin it in.
The purpose of suing McKay is to get hold of evidence that he was working on behalf of Nantes or their appointed agent. If this is obtained it will be used in the club's action against Nantes.
Exactly things seem to be switching in our favour.
The insurance payout is not in the public domain. The insurer was relying on the contract requiring a written schedule of risks covered (which at the time of the incident did not include Sala), while the club were relying on "custom and practice" being to update the schedule or make additions on the next (or within a few) working days of any change. Further, the contract almost certainly includes an upper limit for incoming transfers without requiring specific underwriting.
Not knowing anything at all about the contract I would guess there was a £10m upper limit and the settlement has been around half due to both parties having a reasonable case for their position. So probably 5 to 7 million as a settlement.
Interesting take. Is there any evidence to back it up?
My understanding from all the words written and spoken on this case is that there was no insurance pay out. There was no insurance cover for Emiliano Sala, although the club claimed they were led to believe this would be in place automatically. That was the focus of the successful negligence claim by the club against the insurance brokers (who did not provide any cover themselves - they acted as expert insurance consultants for the club and did a lousy and lazy job).
There was an out of court settlement of the insurance claim against the insurer. The insurer is a Lloyds market broker and insurer.
I think you have got that wrong.
The settlement was with Miller Insurance Services LLP for professional negligence in their role as insurance advisor or consultant to Cardiff City. They were not the insurance company that should have insured Sala if all the necessary steps had been taken. They were not there to provide insurance - they were there to guide Cardiff City FC through all key insurance matters affecting the club.
The insurance claim wasn't settled. The claim of the club against their insurance broker (responsible for advising the club) was settled.
If I have got that wrong I apologise - but I am pretty sure that is right.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...alance%20sheet.
Nobody and neither club have come out of this with any credit.
Having said that it appears at the moment that Tan has been correct in his pursuit of legal actions and recourse to the legal system outside of the football system
I’ve visited Nantes games a few times since the tragedy, and nobody has ever suggested Cardiff are to blame for any of this, and the fans place all the blame on their dodgy owner (Kita), who “sold Emi like a dog”.
More info from the Trust on the Sala Litigation sent to Trust members today
FC Nantes Indicted Over Use of Unauthorised Agents
Dear Member
As you know the way the transfer of Emiliano Sala from Nantes has been shrouded in controversy which includes a focus on the agent used by the French club.
The French media has been reporting recently about the use of unauthorised agents at Nantes.
Please find below a statement from Trust chair Keith Morgan.
FC Nantes Indicted Over Use of Unauthorised Agents
The Trust recently reported on the legal battles between Cardiff City and FC Nantes in the wake of the transfer of Emiliano Sala five years ago this month.
Emiliano Sala tragically died after the light aircraft he was travelling in crashed on its way to Cardiff.
We wanted to make members aware that, according to the French media, Nantes is involved in another significant legal case in its own country (criminal rather than civil) and have been formally accused of using unauthorised players' agents.
The renowned French newspaper, L'Equipe reported on the issue on November 24, 2023.
The translated report said that FC Nantes has been indicted due to its ongoing relationship with unauthorised agents, including Bakari Sanogo, in particular: "that the managers of the Nantes football club have had recourse on a recurring basis, at least since 2015, to the employment of unauthorised sports agents, by establishing sports agent contracts and player employment contracts under the cover of nominees, both in the context of player transfer negotiations and in the context of negotiations of player contracts."
I understand that Sanogo had involvement in the Sala transfer, alongside Willie McKay and his son, Mark McKay.
Back in June there were arrests in France of Sanogo, another agent Joaquim Batica and the club president Waldemar Kita and his son, Franck as part of an investigation opened by the Rennes' Specialised Interregional Court.
We'll keep members posted when we hear more from across the Channel.
Keith Morgan
Chair
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