Reply With QuoteI agree we all want him and others hungry and smacking in the goalsOriginally Posted by Tuerto
It's just for whatever reason , not working up front
With just a modest return from our forward line we could be knocking on that top 6
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finally some sense in this thread haha
what a bunch of clueless dolts the rest of you are. One moment singing the young fellas name the next twisting in the knife...we were woeful today because we were set up to sit deep and soak. Hardly the strategy any striker likes to be involved in.
If he does read this thread i hope he remembers you are a loud MINORITY of dinosaurs in our fanbase that still think hoofball is the forgotten tactical art in the modern game. Go back to watching football from the 70s if you cant keep up at the back
I agree we all want him and others hungry and smacking in the goals
It's just for whatever reason , not working up front
With just a modest return from our forward line we could be knocking on that top 6
I think Whittaker at Plymouth is 22. Delap at Hull must be around 20 as well, but yes, there aren't many.
Yes you’re right about Whittaker, he’s 23 on Sunday. - he’s a strange type of striker though, he’s got a great shot on him and often stands outside the penalty area for corners in the hope that the ball is cleared to him and he can have a whack from twenty five yards.
As for Delap, he seems to be played more as a wide player, that’s where he played against us and he did very well in that role.
One other thing about Etete, for what it’s worth, he’s our top scorer this season even if you agree that it was an own goal at Sheffield Wednesday.
He is halfway through his current contract, a decision will need to be made on whether we stick or twist in the summer.
If Bulut stays and gets backed he'll be a long way down the pecking order
I'll send him a card lol!
I would have thought Ugbo would have easily been our top scorer after his initial exploits. He seemed to be in the right position to find the net, even when he was totally anonymous in the game, but things haven't worked out for him at all sadly.
Somebody up thread I think mentioned Glatzel… in many ways although not the same quality it’s very similar to me… both strikers with some decent height and able to play with the ball at their feet whose talents probably weren’t suited to playing the lone forward position in this league or for this team, although worth noting that RG hasn’t suffered going back to another very physical league since leaving us.
I just can’t see how Etete fits us or most other teams at this level who play a variety of 4-5-1/4-3-3 to be honest. If Kieffer comes Bulut isn’t going to switch to 2 up front. Maybe he can do the Grant role but I don’t think he’s got the running in him.
It doesn’t sound like you were at the game today.
And strikers have to adapt to tactical and formation changes like every other player. It isn’t enough to say ‘oh we don’t play to his strengths so what do you expect’ exactly as we did with Glatzel who sadly was a failure at the club but cost £5m more! :-/
Players often do better or worse at some clubs, mainly because those clubs suit their game or not. Glatzel has done well returning to Germany and his game definitely didn't suit Warnock's.
This is were you and I have the complete opposite of opinion when it comes to team sports. We are not playing to our most creative players strengths at all and we are left stumped by why they are under performing. The slightest bit of analysis would lead you to the overly defensive tactics if you'd care to look.
Just ignoring the blatant obvious truth in order to support the manager over the players is not enough
Before his injury I thought he was coming good.
I watched a stream with their commentators (cos I cannot stand ours) and they were impressed with him, commented when he was subbed.
He's not going to be good enough, let's be honest. He's not a natural goalscorer and he has talent but he isn't quite good enough and he's not improving quickly enough. However, I will say it is a pretty tall order in this current side as there's nobody ever within about 10 yards of him. God knows what they expect him to do. He's better than Ugbo and Meite, though. Meite is a 1 man fouling machine and Ugbo's failings are well documented.
‘Clueless dolts’? A bit insulting to posters for having an opinion. The criticism of Etete isn’t just due to his performance yesterday, it’s been mentioned that he’s in the firing line because he’s all we’ve got, not his fault. You say go back to watching football from the 70s as if Etete is the epitome of a modern day striker. It’s not about eras, footballers, whatever decade, need to be strong, imposing themselves on the opposition, able to adapt to any system. He just isn’t up to it, not just yesterday, he’s 22 and has had plenty of opportunities to impose himself, he hasn’t. In every era, a part of a striker’s job is to defend from the front, not allow a marking defender to bulldoze through them to gain the initiative. If we had more capable strikers, Etete would be way down the list or gone. As I say, it’s unfortunate for him as he’s, more or less, all we’ve got but he isn’t improving.
Totally agree with this, arguably our best and most consistent player for the last 18 months (other than Perry) was getting offers to drive him over the Severn Bridge he was supposedly so bad for the Wurzels.
Meanwhile our fans mostly still think Harry Wilson is shit because he couldn’t trap balls that were punted five feet over his head all game.
It’s far more about tactics, playing style and situation than we’d like to admit in my opinion… with that being said I’m still not sure Etete has the right balance to make it at this level.
Well that is just a silly post.
And quite rude.
45 appearances, 5 goals.
I thinks it's 2 tap ins, 1 header, 1 lob of a 'keeper, 1 really good finish after a run into the box at Watford.
I would suggest that there needs to be a massive improvement over the rest of the season if he is not to join the list of "dead wood" players hanging around our squad.
when you put it that way..maybe I was out of order for some on this board
Nope. I'm actually still on the fence for Etete I'm just against the flip flopping of opinion on him in a game where he was clearly given the order to track back and support our 3 man holding midfield.
Are you suggesting he should stray from high emperor lord Bulut's instructions? what should he neglect in order to "adapt" i wonder? I'm guessing if he were to "go rogue" he wouldnt be in the starting lineup next match. Even if he scored a goal...I have seen bulut take off goal scorers minutes after they have scored and not seen again for a few matches.
I hope you are not classifying the 10-15minute cameos as an opportunity? mostly in games where the manager has been desperate or the team is already sitting so deep their mrs's are bringing them their nightly ovaltine into the stands
I agree that a strikers job is to press the opposition's defense. But thats all.. I dont want to see our strikers defending corners or sitting in the wall defending a free kick. I want them waiting on the half way line waiting for a clearance. I want them fresh to press the defense...not wasting their legs running the full lengths of the pitch..why the hell do we have 3 holding midfielders for ?
Thats a bit overly theoretical for me. Do you really believe another striker with such restrictions doing everything Etete is already trying to do would find time to be in the box? Sory Kaba did well last season because he wasnt doing all this tracking back
In the end you may well be right about Etete once given a real chance. I'm just trying to counter balance the arguments in this thread with the very present excuses that I can see for Etete or any striker struggling in cardiff for the last few seasons (apart from max watters...brilliant positionally but missed way too many sitters)
Given that he’s already played numerous games for us, must be at least the equivalent of a full season, What do you consider as a ‘real chance’? In your opinion, how long or how many games are you prepared to give him before the thumbs up or thumbs down?
Pretty sure he's scored in every game he's played the full 90 minutes in this season (that's twice)
he's played 2000 minutes at championship level that's the equivalent of 22 games.
we've seen some decent improvement during that time as well.
basically this.
A few scattered minutes here and there when the teams already under the cosh should not count. Also id even say it shouldnt really count when we are sitting so deeply in our penalty area (last few games..)
Didn't Bulut say pre-QPR that he was carrying an injury and that's why his game time is being managed?
Lets face facts we are not Chelsea, we can't afford to hoard players.
Hypothetically, if we put him on the transfer list in the summer how much for and what division would he end up in?
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