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    Quote Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
    She'll have to return it voluntarily now if she has any sense at all.
    The hypocritical cow only preaches in church as well

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    164,000 now

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    At the turn of the millennium I was called to jury duty at Newport Crown Court. The case I was selected for was a pre-trial hearing to assess whether a postmaster from Newport was fit to stand trial on charges of embezzlement. We heard from an expert witness that he had mental problems - whether these were brought on by the charges or pre-existing I don't know. I was inclined to accept their advice but the jury debate was a real eye-opener - one woman said 'oh yeah, I saw this on Eastenders. He's trying it on'.

    Anyway, long story short, I wouldn't agree with the majority that he was fit to stand trial. Initially I was on my own but one woman then changed sides. The judge accepted a majority verdict though and he went to trial and was later found guilty and jailed.

    When this scandal came to light I did think of looking into his case to see if he had been wrongly convicted but then decided I'd rather not know, even though I hadn't really been responsible.

    British justice eh?

  4. #29

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    Quote Originally Posted by Des Parrot View Post
    164,000 now
    Another 60k people in 4 hours. Not quite Brexit re vote levels but will quickly overtake the 20mph figures

  5. #30

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
    She'll have to return it voluntarily now if she has any sense at all.
    She probably has sense, but no morals.

    She should be made to return her hefty bonus as well - "Earned" while postmasters were being convicted and even dying.

  6. #31

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    Petition apparently up to 280,000 now

  7. #32

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    320,991 now, should be one for her bonus as well

  8. #33

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    345,966 signatures now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fingers View Post
    345,966 signatures now!

    Where’s Wales on Line when you want them ? This should be on the front page

  10. #35

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    530,554 now.

    In the middle of binge watching it, I thought I knew quite a bit about what happened, but there’s so much in the programme that’s absolutely shocking.

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    This week's Computer Weekly article is well worth a read. They first wrote about it in 2009.

    https://www.computerweekly.com/feature/Post-Office-Horizon-scandal-explained-everything-you-need-to-know?fbclid=IwAR0e1-eCHqypg7F3m-2WTYe6FYoxUCyWxrApaiK5C_XX13F7IPwR4l_n9wM

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    Heading towards 600k signatures & already the 8th largest UK petition since online versions came into being.

  14. #39

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    Signed and shared.
    Vermin.
    C of E ordained minister.
    I hope she rots in hell.

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    Re: Mr Bates V's the Post Office

    618410 atm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost View Post
    At the turn of the millennium I was called to jury duty at Newport Crown Court. The case I was selected for was a pre-trial hearing to assess whether a postmaster from Newport was fit to stand trial on charges of embezzlement. We heard from an expert witness that he had mental problems - whether these were brought on by the charges or pre-existing I don't know. I was inclined to accept their advice but the jury debate was a real eye-opener - one woman said 'oh yeah, I saw this on Eastenders. He's trying it on'.

    Anyway, long story short, I wouldn't agree with the majority that he was fit to stand trial. Initially I was on my own but one woman then changed sides. The judge accepted a majority verdict though and he went to trial and was later found guilty and jailed.

    When this scandal came to light I did think of looking into his case to see if he had been wrongly convicted but then decided I'd rather not know, even though I hadn't really been responsible.

    British justice eh?
    Well his conviction was nothing to do with you

    You can stand by your feelings and your decision

    There really are some dull people out there

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    Article behind a subscriber wall

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    The Post Office is under criminal investigation over the wrongful prosecution of hundreds of sub-postmasters, Scotland Yard confirmed for the first time on Friday evening.
    Metropolitan Police detectives are looking at “potential fraud offences” committed in the handling of the Horizon IT scandal.
    Between 1999 and 2015, the Post Office prosecuted at least 700 postmasters over allegations of fraud, theft and false accounting based on evidence from the faulty Horizon computer system. Hundreds were bankrupted or jailed and at least four people took their own lives.

    Postmasters claimed that tens of millions of pounds wrongly clawed back went into Post Office profits.
    On Friday, a spokeswoman for the Metropolitan Police told The Times that officers were “investigating potential fraud offences arising out of these prosecutions”, relating to “monies recovered from sub-postmasters as a result of prosecutions or civil actions”.
    It is not clear whether the investigation relates to individual staff members or the Post Office as a corporate entity. The Met is already investigating two former Fujitsu experts, who were witnesses in the trials, for perjury and perverting the course of justice. Fujitsu is the company behind the Horizon software.
    Victims of the Horizon scandal have been put in the spotlight this week as ITV aired a four-part drama about the miscarriage of justice called Mr Bates vs The Post Office. Fifty new potential victims have contacted lawyers after the drama was broadcast, including five who wish to appeal their convictions.
    The Criminal Cases Review Commission, which refers cases to the Court of Appeal, has urged more potential victims to come forward. It issued a statement on Friday saying that it “might be able to help if your appeal was unsuccessful, or if you pleaded guilty in a magistrates’ court, or if you are a close relative of a former sub-postmaster who has died”.
    A postmistress who played a chief role in the fight for justice said she “hopes there will be criminal prosecutions”.
    Jo Hamilton, 66, from Hampshire, who led fellow postmasters in a historic Court of Appeals case in 2021, told The Times: “They’ve made people’s lives a misery and they’ve committed crimes. It’s not just a computer problem — this is absolute corruption at its worst, state-sponsored corruption.”
    Since the landmark Court of Appeal judgment, more than 90 sub-postmasters have had their convictions quashed, but more than 550 are yet to come forward. A public inquiry is expected to conclude this year.
    The scandal started in 1999 when glitches in new £1 billion accounting software, Horizon, led to unexplained shortfalls across the network’s 20,000 branches. Under the terms of their contracts, the postmasters were liable for the losses and the Post Office demanded that they repay the money or face closure, prosecution, or a civil claim.

    The High Court ruled that the Post Office’s IT experts were aware of bugs in the system from the early 2000s, but its legal team continued to prosecute and chase losses. It is not known how much cash was paid back for imaginary shortfalls but so far £151 million has been paid in compensation.
    Paul Marshall, a barrister who represents several of the wrongly convicted postmasters, said that “the emergence of information suggesting that the Met police is looking at fraud in connection with the Post Office’s conduct is wholly unsurprising”.
    He added: “Once it is accepted that postmasters were not experiencing real shortfalls at their branches, the money that the Post Office obtained from them, through demands … were themselves improper demands for money and money that was received unlawfully.”
    In an interim report in 2013, Second Sight, the company appointed by the Post Office to conduct an independent investigation into Horizon, found large amounts of unidentified credits in Post Office suspense accounts and raised the question of where the money came from.
    Marshall added: “The reality therefore appears to have been that the Post Office obtained large sums of money from its postmasters on grounds that were false and that were known by it to be false.”
    Tom Little, KC, a senior treasury counsel for the Crown Prosecution Service, has been advising the police during the inquiry. He is part of a team of six barristers — described as the “brightest and the best” — who prosecute the most serious and complex cases for the CPS.
    Sources said he would be the “point man” in deciding who, if anyone, would be investigated and prosecuted, although the CPS has no formal involvement until after someone is charged.
    “The police will be watching each and every day of this phase. The inquiry is asking the same questions as the police would ask at interview,” an inquiry source told The Times last month.
    The Post Office has refused to give a specific figure for how much money was clawed back from sub-postmasters. A spokesman said: “We share fully the aims of the public inquiry to get to the truth of what went wrong in the past and establish accountability. It’s for the inquiry to reach its own independent conclusions after consideration of all the evidence on the issues that it is examining. It would be inappropriate for the Post Office to comment on any police investigation.
    “We are doing all we can to put right the wrongs of the past, including providing full and fair compensation for those affected and offers of more than £138 million have been made to around 2,700 postmasters, the vast majority of which are agreed and paid.”
    There have also been repeated calls for professional watchdogs to investigate the role of Post Office lawyers in the scandal.
    A spokesman for the Solicitors Regulation Authority said on Friday that it had been “investigating this matter since 2021 and the conclusion of the civil case. However, our work is on hold at the public inquiry’s request and will resume once the inquiry has concluded”.

  20. #45

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    Thanks Bluetit
    There'll be some nervous people in the PO and Fujitsu.
    Hea

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    It's also outrageous that Fujitsu (who made the dodgy Horizon software then lied about it) have been awarded hundreds of millions of pounds worth of government contracts since the scandal broke.

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    I just read an article that asked how has Adam Crozier avoided the spotlight being shone on him during the recent programme on the subject as he was head of the Royal Mail at the time.

    Turns out he is now head of the company that made/ commissioned the series

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    Just signed having watched the final episode. Now on 802,000+

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    Unfortunately can’t open this unless I join

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