Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
The problem with the approach you and others take though, is to ignore what's going on and point and say ""we'll look over there!".

That's fine to some extent, but its like moaning about Cardiff City and you pointing over there to Leeds Utd or Southampton and saying, "well at least we aren't them".

But despite having their own problems, they are in demonstrably better shape than us. And that's the same here. You keep saying "don't let the Tories into Wales' but they are doing better than we are here

My opinion is that profound changes far beyond the party political system are needed but that aside, when outcomes in health, education, economy etc are better on England, it means there is a total absence of logic to the point you are making.

If things were worse in England then the argument would make sense, but they arent.
I don't care and I am bored of philosophical pseudo debate

Keep the tories out

It's no more complicated than that