Tata Steel: Thousands of Port Talbot steel workers at risk

[NinianOpinion1927]

really makes no sense, made in china with zero regard to the environment, then shipped over her on ships burning loads of fuel, its lose lose

I've read that China are making great strides in renewables and EVs

[The Bloop]

Not to worry, Drakeford will put plans in place before he fecks off 🤔🙃

Not really in Drakefords remit.
It's up to David TC Davies, Kemi Baddenock and the UK govt to ensure they provide the support they promised when they signed the deal with Tata back in the Autumn.

[cityhammer]

Huge victim of the general green agenda which is going to be a big political battle in coming years.

What annoys me is that this shit will still be made, but in China now, with less environmental regulations and then shipped to Europe from there.

Exactly, its why protests by people like JustStopOil are ill conceived. If the UK unilaterally stops oil exploration you dont take away the demand for oil, so oil will still be resourced, just not by us. Same as the closure of the opencast at Merthyr, the cal will still be required, e'll just import it. We are crucifying our economy for the environment when in the grand scheme of things we are having no affect whatsoever as we are just moving the emissions from the UK to other more polluting countries.

[MOZZER2]

Exactly, its why protests by people like JustStopOil are ill conceived. If the UK unilaterally stops oil exploration you dont take away the demand for oil, so oil will still be resourced, just not by us. Same as the closure of the opencast at Merthyr, the cal will still be required, e'll just import it. We are crucifying our economy for the environment when in the grand scheme of things we are having no affect whatsoever as we are just moving the emissions from the UK to other more polluting countries.

This

[PontBlue]

Huge victim of the general green agenda which is going to be a big political battle in coming years.

What annoys me is that this shit will still be made, but in China now, with less environmental regulations and then shipped to Europe from there.

It's been under threat of closure for years. They are closing it because they can make the same product for cheaper elsewhere and Port Talbot is a loss maker. Tata are using Climate Change as a smokescreen.

[goats]

yea, but the Modern world is making all the right noises about climate change and saving the planet, yet we seem to ignore China ( and India etc etc ) who dont really care, so why are we playing by the new rules and they aren't ? ?

There’s something just not right about it, we will end up paying more for everything as it’s imported, food, utilities etc….with tides and wind this country could easily produce its own power, most of Europe cannot do that. Another £300 a month on gas and electric eh

[North Cardiff Blue]

Exactly, its why protests by people like JustStopOil are ill conceived. If the UK unilaterally stops oil exploration you dont take away the demand for oil, so oil will still be resourced, just not by us. Same as the closure of the opencast at Merthyr, the cal will still be required, e'll just import it. We are crucifying our economy for the environment when in the grand scheme of things we are having no affect whatsoever as we are just moving the emissions from the UK to other more polluting countries.

True, we will play by the rules and damage the economy, while the rest of the World laughs and pay lip service.

[life on mars]

Disaster for the folk directly affected and for the local economy. Short sighted plan really. How long is it going to take to build the electric arc smelter and will there be enough green energy to run it? No more virgin steel to be made there. Meanwhile UK will import virgin steel from places such as China who don't give a hoot about burning coal to fuel their blast furnaces.

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The alright jack Greens/ Socialist don't like smoke stacks, drilling , fracking , farting , cows , manufacturing. That's who don't give a hoot , as long as its not in thier back yard .

Everything will be plastic / paper soon .


JustStopOil sponsor Labour and quite happy to see jobs lost , ffs wake up.
WAG will fix it

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Huge victim of the general green agenda which is going to be a big political battle in coming years.

What annoys me is that this shit will still be made, but in China now, with less environmental regulations and then shipped to Europe from there.

Absolute bollocks, as usual. The only reason we have Chinese steel is Cameron, who vetoed the european ban on it which was designed to protect European steel.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

Let's face it though, Tata wouldn't be doing this if the plant was profitable. This is motivated by money rather than any desire to cut their carbon emissions, even though they're citing it as part of the reason.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Let's face it though, Tata wouldn't be doing this if the plant was profitable. This is motivated by money rather than any desire to cut their carbon emissions, even though they're citing it as part of the reason.

Bingo, the gov should buy the plant. There's literally zero talk of them doing anything which would have been unthinkable as little as a decade ago. It'll be cheaper, too.

[pipster]

https://news.sky.com/story/tata-stee...plant-12997874

Mark Drakeford will be happy - as it lowers Wales carbon emissions by 5 million tonnes apparently.

Apparently electric furnaces as the ones they want to use

[dandywarhol]

Tory privatisation started the downfall of the steel industry. Sunak and the previous Tory PM's to blame/UK will become the only country in the G20 without the capacity to make its own steel from scratch.
Tata steel are a privately run company who have chosen to put all there resource into Tata steel Holland.
Funny thing is Corbyn would have been on the side of the workers. Re-nationalised the steel industry and sorted the energy companies to boot.
It's sad not so many people don't understand the British political system. The only politicians who can have a greater input on the job losses is the UK government

[pipster]

There is either a market for it or there isnt. If there is a market for it then the cost of producing it needs to be looked at. I remember seeing the energy costs for Tata for huge compared to other countries.

ps - if they shut it down - then we can buy it for a quid and we can start polluting the atmosphere again or just buy an electric furnace instead of a coal fired one. We are out of the EU, so the EU laws on stopping state intervention / competitor advantage are gone - unless they are part of some other agreement ?

Well done though on getting the Tories and Corbyn in on the same sentence.

pps just for info - it was the Chinese that screwed it by dumping steel on the open market. China produces 800 million tonnes a year - we make about 8 - we are insignificant other than niche.

[dandywarhol]

There is either a market for it or there isnt. If there is a market for it then the cost of producing it needs to be looked at. I remember seeing the energy costs for Tata for huge compared to other countries.

ps - if they shut it down - then we can buy it for a quid and we can start polluting the atmosphere again or just buy an electric furnace instead of a coal fired one. We are out of the EU, so the EU laws on stopping state intervention / competitor advantage are gone - unless they are part of some other agreement ?

Well done though on getting the Tories and Corbyn in on the same sentence.

pps just for info - it was the Chinese that screwed it by dumping steel on the open market. China produces 800 million tonnes a year - we make about 8 - we are insignificant other than niche.

Didn't the Railway lines made from Chinese steel melt in the heatwave.UK Government could have put and import tarrif on the imported steel

[Pedro de la Rosa]

We are out of the EU, so the EU laws on stopping state intervention / competitor advantage are gone - unless they are part of some other agreement ?

The Conservative gov vetoed the ban on Chinese steel, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

[pipster]

They did that for a reason - we only make 8 millions tonnes per year - chinese do 800 millions tonnes, how much other stuff do we import from china ?
Ideally reduce the need for Chinese goods and materials.
When Drakeford was building the new link road down the docks it was constructed with steel from Germany - even though over the road Allied steel Wire produced the same product.

[TWGL1]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wales-68006496

Port Talbot's steelworks over the years

[Wales-Bales]

What’s happened since this announcement 4 months ago?

https://x.com/rishisunak/status/1702...LTsVTx09ZSEfIA

Crooks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-66819458

[Wales-Bales]

Not to worry, Drakeford will put plans in place before he fecks off

He'll be remembered as the person who took us back into the stone age!

[MOZZER2]

on the very day Indian company Tata announce this devasting news Coal India arms approved to invest $674m in 2.26GW power plants . Net Zero my arse

what a kick in the teeth for the workers at Port Talbot .

https://www.power-technology.com/new...view&cf-closed

[Wales-Bales]

on the very day Indian company Tata announce this devasting news Coal India arms approved to invest $674m in 2.26GW power plants . Net Zero my arse

what a kick in the teeth for the workers at Port Talbot .

https://www.power-technology.com/new...view&cf-closed

That's awfully close to £500m !!

[Gofer Blue]

It's been under threat of closure for years. They are closing it because they can make the same product for cheaper elsewhere and Port Talbot is a loss maker. Tata are using Climate Change as a smokescreen.

This. If they were serious about electric furnace they would have kept one blast furnace working whilst building the former. Otherwise what are they going to do with the remaining 1000 employees whilst the construction goes on? Maybe they intend to start construction immediately - I have no idea how long it will take - could it be ready by September? Seems a very short time to me!

[Citizen's Nephew]

Exactly, its why protests by people like JustStopOil are ill conceived. If the UK unilaterally stops oil exploration you dont take away the demand for oil, so oil will still be resourced, just not by us. Same as the closure of the opencast at Merthyr, the cal will still be required, e'll just import it. We are crucifying our economy for the environment when in the grand scheme of things we are having no affect whatsoever as we are just moving the emissions from the UK to other more polluting countries.

Oooh look! They're kicking the shit out of the planet over there! Let's kick the shit out of it here too then!