Have you forgotten the start of the season already, when we were 6th in the table having played most of the decent teams?Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
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Have you forgotten the start of the season already, when we were 6th in the table having played most of the decent teams?
Sorry, I was replying to your comment about how Bulut has shown he can get the team playing as they were at the start. They haven't for 4 months.
Yeah I agree.
The only point in sacking bulut is if we can get a better manager in
He's only just brought in some new faces
If we sack him and bring in a new manager do you think its worth doing all this again in say next December when he's got the same sort of return that bulut has ?
If the football is as consistently shite and the players look like they are getting much worse then yes.
However the point is if he isn't going to be here next season (and remember currently he isn't going to be) then why waste time now?
Even though I'm not bothered either way if the club do give him an extra 2 years tomorrow I'd say fair play at least its a sign of what they think and we can put all this to bed as he's staying at least into next season and that's that.
However current situation is untenable much longer. If he's going then just go now. This season is done. However if he is staying then all get it done and move on.
This thread has summed up how football fans have changed for the worse, everyone crying for long term stability and growth but ready to sack everyone at the sign of regression.
Build for the future/long term blah blah.... if you progress in a perfectly linear way otherwise get out.
Fact of the matter is 75%+ of City fans were seriously worried about relegation this season.
The fact that we've been comfortably clear of the bottom 3 all year is signs of a good season, am I disappointed how we've fallen away? Yes of course but it shows the squad had limited depth and once 20-30 games in standards dropped, something we all knew.
Bang on mate.
I'm always surprised by a fanbase that has mostly known second tier or lower football to be so up in arms when we are mid table in the second tier with a team of mostly freebies and loans.
Bulut is probably one of the better managers we could realistically attract that now has some idea of how he could improve this squad after gaining a seasons worth of experience in it.
I think given all that has been said by himself he won't be here beyond the season so step right up the next short term fall guy.
That's fair enough. It's just that 'meh' isn't enough to sit through whatever life I've got left. Big shout out to the away fans though. Fair play, that's some commitment and puts me to shame.
That's for you to decide of course. It's all a cycle though mate, as you know.
For me the manager conversation is merely papering over the cracks of much bigger changes we need to see.
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When Saturday comes magazine had supporters of the other teams in our division predicting we'd finish 23rd this season. Only Rotherham were lower.
I'll take 14th all day though I expect us to drop another couple of places. Still progress in my eyes
Sludge, if you were in charge of the purse strings, would you feel comfortable about re-employing this guy based on the team's performances since October ?
I think you're being very generous or very naive to say that standards have dropped 20-30 games in. Our last decent performance was our 14th game of the season against Bristol City, which means we've played 17 league games since and played abysmally in nearly all of them. By common consent we've been fortunate to pick up a few wins along the way, which has kept us out of trouble.
How can you build for the future if you put blind faith in a manager that has sucked nearly all the positivity from the fans in just a few months ?
Maybe generous but definitely not naive. In the 5 games after we played Bristol, 3 of the 5 are in the top 6 and we still got 4 points from 5 games. The Championship is a relentless league and that's why the relegated sides have romped home this year because they have incredible squads, not just a good 11.
How is it blind faith after 7 months? Manager's seem to suck all positivity out of fans every season, no matter who it is. It starts to come down to are we just an overly negative fanbase? The club has been under restraints that nearly no other club has had in the UK over the past 1-2 years in not being able to pay for players while the top 6/8 clubs can spend £10s of millions. It's not Buluts fault the club has been in the mire for a few years now.
I'm worried about relegation, we're still not safe and we've been awful for months. Bulut isn't the man to take us forward, he's lost it and run out of ideas
Absolutely spot on!
No one will ever succeed under this ownership. Bulut far from inspiring and wouldn’t be sorry to see him go but will be the same next manager as well.
The January window was rubbish. Short term signings order of the day once again
There's a valid argument that the players need a few games to bed in, gel together, and it's a virtually new team out there at times, but I'd accept that premise were I to see the occasional flash of pace, players inter-changing a few quick passes, a great shot etc., but individually they all - bar a few exceptions - look bang average footballers. Admittedly he did bring in a few turkeys, but Morison signed :
Philogene
Alnwick
Collins
Tanner
Kipre
O'Dowda
Robinson
Puts Bulut's signings in perspective..
my thread was removed...
sadly ive moved also... firmly into the get the **** out of my club group
**** off
A beacon of light
I think the club should have backed him properly in january. Seems his head has gone a bit now, which is quite frankly a bit pathetic. Part of being a football manager (especially at a club like ours) is dealing with a difficult board.
I hope he gets a grip of himself, because i think he's a decent manager. We started the season well, he brought in a couple of decent players. The club should keep him and back him. The other thing of course, if we do sack him , does anyone have any faith we'd bring in a decent replacement?
He’s pretty much come out and said that they promised him one thing, they made plans for players over months and then they slashed the budget. The players who came in and not great but it’s his job to get the most out of them. Although I’m not sure anyone gets much out of our forwards.
his main job is managing and coaching the actual team he has! its not all glamorous transfer windowsif that's what he signed up for he may want to check out some of the football manager games on the market and leave the profession to more capable people
Thank god quite a few posters don't want the baby thrown out with the bathwater !
Hounding our latest manager out with 40 points on the board is ridiculous
He's got to get a second wind that's for sure but some of our fans are like petulant schoolkids
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