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Do you seriously think that I don't ask why people need to go to food banks?! As a Christian my role is to help the needy regardless of the cause of their condition.Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Like others have said, I don't see how we can expect or need to have "growth" year on year.
I am constantly amazed that someone who has values of caring for others can vote conservative
Can't you see the irony ?
What a ridiculously gross generalisation!
In my lifetime I have voted Conservative, Labour, Liberal (before they became the Liberal Democrats) and Green Party, depending on who I thought had the best policies at the time. This time, so far, I would be classified as undecided as I have no idea at the moment. Yes the Conservatives have really made a mess but I don't see any incredible salvation coming our way from Labour. If they do get a working majority in the 2024 election I think they will constantly play the "look at the mess we inherited" card to explain why they are not able to fix things quite as easily/quickly as Joe Public will expect. It's very easy to criticise when in opposition!
Growth means we are expected to buy more and more "stuff" every year to create demand. That's unsustainable and poor stewardship of the world' resources.
Jon, i was referencing a recent thread where you attempted mental gymnastics to defend that Labour candidate and summarised by implying the real enemy was white Nationlists even though the protagonist was Asian and the target of his thoughts was Jewish. Not sure what fascism or white people had to do with it. Although you didn't explicitly use the word white, that's what you was getting at, read it yourself.That doesn't help, Sludge.
In response to a post on Sunak missing 4 of his 5 'judge me and my party' pledges, the poster now known as NinianOpinion1927 came back with Norman Lamont on lower public sector than private sector productivity (idle nurses and care workers?), and accused me of somehow 'bashing European nationalists'!
It was a 'Wibble' moment!
Total gobbledegook!
Although I suppose when it comes to a discussion about economic competence and public reaction to the lack of it, bringing Lamont in does add something. Even if that is by going off on the biggest and least relevant tangent possible.
Anyway, Black Wednesday.
As for Normon Lamont, productivity in the public sector hasn't recovered since covid yet it has recovered in the private sector. This lag has in part caused the recession and contradicts your view in another thread where you and Doucas claimed the public sector had higher productivity, using some study on the NHS as your example.
Bloody hell!
Are you referring to my post where I did anything but defend the Labour candidate. I said he should have been dumped earlier.
I did point out that the Israeli government had had intelligence of the Hamas attack more than a year in advance (and again more recently) but didn't believe Hamas had the capability to carry out the attack - so the conspiracy theories were wild and unjustified. I also referred to a history of recent provocations by Israeli settlers and the government - trying to draw a reaction of some kind they could use - and pointed out the presence in the Israeli government of fascists. I didn't mention 'white nationalism'.
I honestly do not remember any post I (or Doucas) made claiming the public sector had higher productivity than the private sector - wit or without the NHS. But if I did, what relevance does that have to the thread or the post you replied to? Answer - none!
Wasn't Black Wednesday when George Soros and his mates devalued our currency and made a killing? Or was that another occasion? Yet you want to imply it was Lamont's incompetenceThat doesn't help, Sludge.
In response to a post on Sunak missing 4 of his 5 'judge me and my party' pledges, the poster now known as NinianOpinion1927 came back with Norman Lamont on lower public sector than private sector productivity (idle nurses and care workers?), and accused me of somehow 'bashing European nationalists'!
It was a 'Wibble' moment!
Total gobbledegook!
Although I suppose when it comes to a discussion about economic competence and public reaction to the lack of it, bringing Lamont in does add something. Even if that is by going off on the biggest and least relevant tangent possible.
Anyway, Black Wednesday.
Yes - happy to imply (no, not imply - claim) the Black Wednesday melt down was the responsibility of the Chancellor of the Exchequer at the time.
That was Nigel Lamont not George Soros. Look it up.
Nigel Lawson or Norman Lamont.
I know Soros devalued our currency causing chaos, making a fortune, and damaging our economy in the 80s. Not sure if it was black Wednesday or not.
Good spot - Norman Lamont it was. Regretting ‘rien’ in his bath
Some incredible claims being made in this thread as to the causes of this latest recession - a link backing up the claims would have been handy.
Even Sunak doesn’t come out with the sort of garbage seen in this thread defending the Government that was pledging growth this time last year and has delivered a recession
It's all seems a bit unfair focusing on the person who made the pledge, rather than everybody else.Even Sunak doesn’t come out with the sort of garbage seen in this thread defending the Government that was pledging growth this time last year and has delivered a recession
Do you think the food banks that are in existence now , in 2024 are the fault of Tony Blair, who let's be honest was almost as tory as you are or the current tory government ?Yes you're right - as you know Food banks were introduced in the UK in 1997 - Tony Blair was the PM in 97
Over to a more socialist country like France, food banks were started in 1984.
UK and France approx same population figure 60-65 million
France throughput 4 times the amount as UK foodbanks - is that the Tories fault as well posh boy ?
But you voted for him….what a difference he made. Starmer is basically blair agsin
Dopey foot soldiersEven Sunak doesn’t come out with the sort of garbage seen in this thread defending the Government that was pledging growth this time last year and has delivered a recession
Absolute cannon fodder
The only thing you have done is explain absolutely nothing to a chimp who is staring back at you in the mirror
It's all very well pretending you are politically unbiased but trawl back through your postings on here , they are a conservative party broadcasts wet dream
I voted for him until he invaded Iraq
I certainly have never voted Tory but I reckon you have
Well, we are out of it now with 0.6% growth in the first quarter of 2024
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68983741
Q1 2024 growth figures for major European countries:
Spain 0.7%
UK 0.6%
Netherlands 0.4%
EU 0.3%
Belgium 0.3%
Italy 0.3%
France 0.2%
Germany 0.2%
A quarter can only ever be a snapshot, but looking at the last six months we've grown at the exact same rate as the EU as a whole, the same rate as France, slightly below Italy, well below Spain, interestingly, a little above Netherlands and well above Germany.
Nothing to write home about perhaps, but all those predictions, all those stories about the UK having a crashed economy or being a basket case etc. It's largely nonsense.
https://tradingeconomics.com/country...ntinent=europe
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