Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
No thanks.

Left v right works for me.

Apart from a few fringe far right groups in the UK 'the establishment' is the embodiment of the right. Almost by definition!
Surely you realise that many establishment institutions, parts of the media, universities etc are pretty consistent in promoting left-wing ideals though?

And equally, on this whole debate, surely you recognise that whatever measure you use of failure; murdering your citizens, economic mismanagement, starvation, denial of democracy or rights etc, that the left is no better than the right, and vice-versa. It really is a totally outdated way of viewing things really. It's become little more than window dressing and a term for a cultural outlook