FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

[LA Bluebird]

Some have put our lack of goal threat from open play down to the absence of Ramsey and O'Dowda. That shambles puts that theory to bed.

Get rid of Bulut now. I'm done for this season.

Yeah, without turning this into another Colwill thread, Ramsey did absolutely nothing out there that Colwill hasn't done again and again this season. I think you could have 28 year old Ramsey out there and he'd still look shite as he'd still have nobody to pass the ball forward to.

Also, how have we spent $2m a couple months ago on an attacking midfielder who couldn't get on the pitch with today's performance?

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Yeah, without turning this into another Colwill thread, Ramsey did absolutely nothing out there that Colwill hasn't done again and again this season. I think you could have 28 year old Ramsey out there and he'd still look shite as he'd still have nobody to pass the ball forward to.

Also, how have we spent $2m a couple months ago on an attacking midfielder who couldn't get on the pitch with today's performance?

I don't think your comments on Ramsey are fair but there's some garbage on that pitch including that donkey Diedhiou. Turnbull was signed because Bulut doesn't rate Colwill and then he's realised Turnbull is worse. I don't want Bulut getting another transfer window, his signings have been dreadful.

[2b2bdoo]

I don't think your comments on Ramsey are fair but there's some garbage on that pitch including that donkey Diedhiou. Turnbull was signed because Bulut doesn't rate Colwill and then he's realised Turnbull is worse. I don't want Bulut getting another transfer window, his signings have been dreadful.

Do you think he signed Turnbull? I’m not so sure but whoever did it makes no sense. We needed power and pace in that midfield and he’s neither. He just doesn’t fit into what we have or what we needed.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Do you think he signed Turnbull? I’m not so sure but whoever did it makes no sense. We needed power and pace in that midfield and he’s neither. He just doesn’t fit into what we have or what we needed.

Yes, he wanted Bakasetas too. He's made no secret he wants a 10. We've only got Ramsey, Colwill and Robinson that play there. Now weve also got Turnbull but he saw no issue with Siopis, Ralls and Wintle's complete lack of creativity. This is entirely by design, it is not an accident we've ended up here.

[2b2bdoo]

Yes, he wanted Bakasetas too. He's made no secret he wants a 10. We've only got Ramsey, Colwill and Robinson that play there. Now weve also got Turnbull but he saw no issue with Siopis, Ralls and Wintle's complete lack of creativity. This is entirely by design, it is not an accident we've ended up here.

We know he wanted Bakasetas and others and we are told a lot of planning went into scouting players ready for January before the budget was slashed. I do wonder how much scouting or input he had for those players signed. Turnbull is a huge step down from Bakasetas, I’m not sure if Turnbull is even good enough to play as a 10 with how we play. I like the keeper and Phillips but I can’t say I’m impressed with the others. I wouldn’t be sorry to see all our loans return as I think a new manager needs a number of players.

[City123]

We know he wanted Bakasetas and others and we are told a lot of planning went into scouting players ready for January before the budget was slashed. I do wonder how much scouting or input he had for those players signed. Turnbull is a huge step down from Bakasetas, I’m not sure if Turnbull is even good enough to play as a 10 with how we play. I like the keeper and Phillips but I can’t say I’m impressed with the others. I wouldn’t be sorry to see all our loans return as I think a new manager needs a number of players.

Nobody is good enough to play as a 10 with how we play. We don't commit enough players forward or have any ability behind them to make a 10 useful

We got away with it a bit with Ramsey at the beginning of the season, but the way Bulut plays makes that 10 role an almost impossible job

[Pedro de la Rosa]

We know he wanted Bakasetas and others and we are told a lot of planning went into scouting players ready for January before the budget was slashed. I do wonder how much scouting or input he had for those players signed. Turnbull is a huge step down from Bakasetas, I’m not sure if Turnbull is even good enough to play as a 10 with how we play. I like the keeper and Phillips but I can’t say I’m impressed with the others. I wouldn’t be sorry to see all our loans return as I think a new manager needs a number of players.

I'm not going to get into a Bulut debate but we have played good football a grand total of zero times this season. We are a bad side. He has improved zero players and he's signed some stinkers. Bulut is as bad as we've had in recent years, and he's certainly the biggest disappointment.

[2b2bdoo]

I'm not going to get into a Bulut debate but we have played good football a grand total of zero times this season. We are a bad side. He has improved zero players and he's signed some stinkers. Bulut is as bad as we've had in recent years, and he's certainly the biggest disappointment.

I wasn’t debating Bulut, I was questioning who signed the January signings. I don’t need to debate Bulut, I think people can make their own minds up after 39 games.

[City123]

Yes, he wanted Bakasetas too. He's made no secret he wants a 10. We've only got Ramsey, Colwill and Robinson that play there. Now weve also got Turnbull but he saw no issue with Siopis, Ralls and Wintle's complete lack of creativity. This is entirely by design, it is not an accident we've ended up here.

He's a very defensive, cautious manager who's somehow conned some into thinking he wants to play free flowing attacking football

[Pedro de la Rosa]

He's a very defensive, cautious manager who's somehow conned some into thinking he wants to play free flowing attacking football

He's playing exactly the way Turkish fans said he would

[Tuerto]

I don't think your comments on Ramsey are fair but there's some garbage on that pitch including that donkey Diedhiou. Turnbull was signed because Bulut doesn't rate Colwill and then he's realised Turnbull is worse. I don't want Bulut getting another transfer window, his signings have been dreadful.

Pretty much this.

[Citizen's Nephew]

I don't think your comments on Ramsey are fair but there's some garbage on that pitch including that donkey Diedhiou. Turnbull was signed because Bulut doesn't rate Colwill and then he's realised Turnbull is worse. I don't want Bulut getting another transfer window, his signings have been dreadful.

Just got back from the game Pedro. Ramsey's done. Gave the ball away around three times within the first 10 minutes of him coming on and is a set-piece player now at best. Pretty much a continuation of the Swansea performance.

Sunderland were a good watch tbh. Played some decent football. Nothing else to report. Apart from the most exciting part of the day was a load of us and Sunderland fans sheltering in the bus depot during a downpour.

[D. Advocaat]

Just got back from the game Pedro. Ramsey's done. Gave the ball away around three times within the first 10 minutes of him coming on and is a set-piece player now at best. Pretty much a continuation of the Swansea performance.

Sunderland were a good watch tbh. Played some decent football. Nothing else to report. Apart from the most exciting part of the day was a load of us and Sunderland fans sheltering in the bus depot during a downpour.

Some discussion on Radio Wales as to whether Ramsey should now retire from international football. The more realistic question is whether he should retire from playing full stop. Anyway, don't want to knock Rambo, the problem today and all season has been a complete lack of footballing strategy, and that comes from the manager.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Just got back from the game Pedro. Ramsey's done. Gave the ball away around three times within the first 10 minutes of him coming on and is a set-piece player now at best. Pretty much a continuation of the Swansea performance.

Sunderland were a good watch tbh. Played some decent football. Nothing else to report. Apart from the most exciting part of the day was a load of us and Sunderland fans sheltering in the bus depot during a downpour.

Perhaps he is done. I'm not going to write him off just yet though.

[Blooburd]

people critiquing Ramsey really should look at the excuses they give some of the duff players in our squad. Ramsey has just come back from a long injury..clearly not match fit and has a LOT of roles on his shoulders when he comes on. Bit of logic and you can see we shouldnt be pinning our hopes on Ramsey...yet

[Citizen's Nephew]

people critiquing Ramsey really should look at the excuses they give some of the duff players in our squad. Ramsey has just come back from a long injury..clearly not match fit and has a LOT of roles on his shoulders when he comes on. Bit of logic and you can see we shouldnt be pinning our hopes on Ramsey...yet

When was the last time Ramsey wasn't just coming back from injury? https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/aaro.../spieler/50057