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  1. #1

    Re: Massive Progress at the Club Under Bulut

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulWent76 View Post
    Here’s a question for you. How do we get the set pieces (corners/free kicks) that we score these goals from?

    My, no evidence, belief is that they come from us moving the ball forward in an often well worked way but then our end product (from not very good forward play) are tame shots that are deflected by defenders for corners. We’d all like to see more of those shots hit the back of the net directly BUT the fact that we have someone who delivers a good corner more often than not I.e. Joe Ralls, means that we score from a good percentage and are therefore not suffering from relegation anxiety this year. This analysis is another way of saying the team as a whole is pretty good but we’re lacking the attackers who’ve got the killer instinct. We are holding on to the ball better than last season. The glaringly obvious occasion when we didn’t was Swansea where we reverted to hit and hope and looked like we were crapping ourselves every time the ball came near us.
    People expect too much from ralls , Wintle and siopis

    They are ball winners and spoilers

    Ralls and to a lesser extent Wintle can deliver a free kick or corner well

    Our problem is the complete lack of a goalscorer up front , as you suggest ........and a creative forward moving midfielder

    Ramsey or Colwill , if they are fit , for example

  2. #2

    Re: Massive Progress at the Club Under Bulut

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulWent76 View Post
    Here’s a question for you. How do we get the set pieces (corners/free kicks) that we score these goals from?

    My, no evidence, belief is that they come from us moving the ball forward in an often well worked way but then our end product (from not very good forward play) are tame shots that are deflected by defenders for corners. We’d all like to see more of those shots hit the back of the net directly BUT the fact that we have someone who delivers a good corner more often than not I.e. Joe Ralls, means that we score from a good percentage and are therefore not suffering from relegation anxiety this year. This analysis is another way of saying the team as a whole is pretty good but we’re lacking the attackers who’ve got the killer instinct. We are holding on to the ball better than last season. The glaringly obvious occasion when we didn’t was Swansea where we reverted to hit and hope and looked like we were crapping ourselves every time the ball came near us.
    Couldnt agree more.
    But lets try and be a little more negative , fit in with the gloom and doom merchants of which there are many

  3. #3

    Re: Massive Progress at the Club Under Bulut

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulWent76 View Post
    Here’s a question for you. How do we get the set pieces (corners/free kicks) that we score these goals from?

    My, no evidence, belief is that they come from us moving the ball forward in an often well worked way but then our end product (from not very good forward play) are tame shots that are deflected by defenders for corners. We’d all like to see more of those shots hit the back of the net directly BUT the fact that we have someone who delivers a good corner more often than not I.e. Joe Ralls, means that we score from a good percentage and are therefore not suffering from relegation anxiety this year. This analysis is another way of saying the team as a whole is pretty good but we’re lacking the attackers who’ve got the killer instinct. We are holding on to the ball better than last season. The glaringly obvious occasion when we didn’t was Swansea where we reverted to hit and hope and looked like we were crapping ourselves every time the ball came near us.
    goal scoring off corners is around 4 to 8 percent, depends how you measure, 2nd phase etc... So conceding from corners is an issue, scoring is a bonus giving those statistics, even if you go top end. All top teams, the best of the best, have teams of set piece coaches, data "scientists" and google/oracle etc AI'ing the ****ing shit out of each and every one, simulations running in the millions, factoring in humidity, wind, temperature, fatigue (all whilst the game is going on) for the slightest advantage on these situations. Yet for the footballing gods of cardiff city, set plays and scoring from them are a dirty word and are a derogatory damnation. To be honest i think this topics to a few is ore dirty then playing in red for 2 seasons!

  4. #4

    Re: Massive Progress at the Club Under Bulut

    Quote Originally Posted by OurManFlint II View Post
    goal scoring off corners is around 4 to 8 percent, depends how you measure, 2nd phase etc... So conceding from corners is an issue, scoring is a bonus giving those statistics, even if you go top end. All top teams, the best of the best, have teams of set piece coaches, data "scientists" and google/oracle etc AI'ing the ****ing shit out of each and every one, simulations running in the millions, factoring in humidity, wind, temperature, fatigue (all whilst the game is going on) for the slightest advantage on these situations. Yet for the footballing gods of cardiff city, set plays and scoring from them are a dirty word and are a derogatory damnation. To be honest i think this topics to a few is ore dirty then playing in red for 2 seasons!
    Just to confirm, it's not the scoring from set pieces that I have issues with. It's the reliance on them as our creativity from open play is very poor and I have a suspicion that we play to win corners, which is a bit shit.

  5. #5

    Re: Massive Progress at the Club Under Bulut

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    If being less creative and worse defensively than a side that nearly went down last season is progress, then hell yes, we've had progress.
    All this positivity is not like you Eric !

  6. #6

    Re: Massive Progress at the Club Under Bulut

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    All this positivity is not like you Eric !
    I think the points are the key.

  7. #7

    Re: Massive Progress at the Club Under Bulut

    I couldn’t care less how we score but neither can I be ‘happy’ with the bare league table after what I have personally witnessed game after game after game this season.

  8. #8

    Re: Massive Progress at the Club Under Bulut

    I wouldn't say it was massive progress, it's a bit better points wise but the football is absolute dross.

  9. #9

    Re: Massive Progress at the Club Under Bulut

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    Being safe in March after a relegation battle last year and only surviving after another team had a points deduction can be seen as nothing other than progress. Regardless of the quality of football. It's not like we were easy on the eye last season. Or the season before.
    So you agree the football quality hasn't improved.

  10. #10

    Re: Massive Progress at the Club Under Bulut

    Being safe in March after a relegation battle last year and only surviving after another team had a points deduction can be seen as nothing other than progress. Regardless of the quality of football. It's not like we were easy on the eye last season. Or the season before.

  11. #11

    Re: Massive Progress at the Club Under Bulut

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    Being safe in March after a relegation battle last year and only surviving after another team had a points deduction can be seen as nothing other than progress. Regardless of the quality of football. It's not like we were easy on the eye last season. Or the season before.
    So you agree the football quality hasn't improved.

  12. #12

    Re: Massive Progress at the Club Under Bulut

    Far too many people on here are armchair football pundits who watch sky sports

    Endless silly statistics and analysis

    We have never really been a footballing team and that's good because basic percentage football with drilled training of free kicks , throw ins , corners and direct play always gives you a chance especially when you don't have a lot of quality in the squad

    People were having a go at our midfield the other day but do they except Modric pulling the strings ff sake ?

    It's all very romantic wishing for football to be played on the floor and for Cardiff City to have the next pep but some of you really do need to give your heads a wobble

  13. #13

    Re: Massive Progress at the Club Under Bulut

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfresco View Post
    So you agree the football quality hasn't improved.
    Hello

    Hello

  14. #14

    Re: Massive Progress at the Club Under Bulut

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Hello

    Hello
    Is the football better to watch this season as opposed to last season. If it is then happy days

  15. #15

    Re: Massive Progress at the Club Under Bulut

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfresco View Post
    Is the football better to watch this season as opposed to last season. If it is then happy days
    Yes

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