EGG, Ospreys moving out of the “TIN SHACK”

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Codswallop.

Some of our crowds in our Warnock promotion season weren't great. Didn't stop us winning promotion. Rubbish crowds didn't stop us winning promotion from the old Division 4 at Ninian Park.

I will agree that the atmosphere is awful at home games, though. It's been pretty abysmal when we've nearly sold out for the defeats at home to Swansea.

I have yet to hear an ex-player/pundit say that it's up to the fans to generate an atmosphere. They'll all say it's up to the players to start at a high tempo and get the fans behind them.

I also think that we've got a new generation of fans who don't chant that much during games, regardless of how well or poorly we play. How many new chants do we hear at home games? When was the last time we had a chant that stuck for several games? I can't remember one. I don't think this is just a Cardiff City thing, either. I notice it a lot when I watch football on TV that fans don't tend to sing and chant as they did 20 years ago.

So, no I don't think a half empty, quiet stadium makes too much of a difference. I reckon there's far more that affects our home form and it ain't to do with the fans.

The ground is dead

Even 20 k and the place is lifeless

Put 20 k in a 26 000 stadium and things would be a lot better

The ground is too big

[Eric the Half a Bee]

The ground is dead

Even 20 k and the place is lifeless

Put 20 k in a 26 000 stadium and things would be a lot better

The ground is too big

So 20k not singing or chanting in a 26k stadium would be better than 20k not singing or chanting in a 32k stadium? This is going to take some working out.....

Similarly, what about the days when Ninian Park could create quite a racket when it wasn't even half full?

[Father Dougal]

The ground is dead

Even 20 k and the place is lifeless

Put 20 k in a 26 000 stadium and things would be a lot better

The ground is too big

20k? Come on. There's barely half that most games. I know it's announced as 20k but......

[Taunton Blue Genie]

The ground is dead

Even 20 k and the place is lifeless

Put 20 k in a 26 000 stadium and things would be a lot better

The ground is too big

Being as it's only the upper tier of the Ninian that is unpopulated for games, how is that any worse than having fresh air above a stand there?

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Being as it's only the upper tier of the Ninian that is unpopulated for games, how is that any worse than having fresh air above a stand there?

Empty seats look shocking in the numbers we have them

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Empty seats look shocking in the numbers we have them

You can hear the empty seats? Or are you just stirring up apathy?

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You can hear the empty seats? Or are you just stirring up apathy?

A half empty ccs looks crap to the fans and it deffo looks crap to the players

That is a viscous circle with regards to the atmosphere

You get 15 k in the 20 k liberty tin shack and it can be rocking

[Eric the Half a Bee]

A half empty ccs looks crap to the fans and it deffo looks crap to the players

That is a viscous circle with regards to the atmosphere

You get 15 k in the 20 k liberty tin shack and it can be rocking

If the Liberty was 25k it would still be rocking. It's not as if a 25k seater stadium would let atmosphere escape more than a 20k stadium.

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If the Liberty was 25k it would still be rocking. It's not as if a 25k seater stadium would let atmosphere escape more than a 20k stadium.

You need to ask TBG about atmospheric escapes , nothing to do with me

If you LOOK around the CC stadium on match day with 18 k in there as a fan and as a player you are facing an uphill battle before the game even kicks off

It's really simple to understand