Another Colwill thread.

[bluebirds17]

Colwill's biggest weakness at the moment is composure. There's plenty of times this season and in yesterday's game where he rushed rather than composing himself before shooting/passing etc.

I feel this down to two things:

1) he's still young and learning the game and this is something that will develop with more game time. Game time that is consistent 80-90 minutes a game rather than 15-20 minutes cameos.

2) due to not being consistently in the team he is trying to hard to do something spectacular to impress his manager.

For me to help him develop Bulut or whoever is our next manager needs to trust him as the 10.

I will say for Bulut he has helped Rubin to develop his work rate around the pitch which was an issue last season and earlier this season.

The style of football we have played will never help a creative player but yesterday showed having players around you with pace and energy and can play some football will always bring the best out of players like Colwill.

[Tuerto]

Colwill's biggest weakness at the moment is composure. There's plenty of times this season and in yesterday's game where he rushed rather than composing himself before shooting/passing etc.

I feel this down to two things:

1) he's still young and learning the game and this is something that will develop with more game time. Game time that is consistent 80-90 minutes a game rather than 15-20 minutes cameos.

2) due to not being consistently in the team he is trying to hard to do something spectacular to impress his manager.

For me to help him develop Bulut or whoever is our next manager needs to trust him as the 10.

I will say for Bulut he has helped Rubin to develop his work rate around the pitch which was an issue last season and earlier this season.

The style of football we have played will never help a creative player but yesterday showed having players around you with pace and energy and can play some football will always bring the best out of players like Colwill.

I don't agree with all of that, (some of it i do) but good post. It's a well thought out argument which holds some water in my opinion, and you've been critical of the player as well which gives balance. My problem is the posters who think it's all one way and have this pretty unhealthy obsession with young players who come through our system (Even more so if they're Welsh) Good post

[Garth Blue]

I don't agree with all of that, (some of it i do) but good post. It's a well thought out argument which holds some water in my opinion, and you've been critical of the player as well which gives balance. My problem is the posters who think it's all one way and have this pretty unhealthy obsession with young players who come through our system (Even more so if they're Welsh) Good post

I think the unhealthy obsession is always picking on things Rubin is less good at, not the things he excels at.

[Citizen's Nephew]

I think the unhealthy obsession is always picking on things Rubin is less good at, not the things he excels at.

That’s not objective either way though. I think what some of us would like to read is more balanced debate which I think is what Tuerto is alluding to. There’s too much bias towards Welsh youth players at Cardiff imo by some fans. I could care less where a Cardiff City player comes from or is born.

[Garth Blue]

That’s not objective either way though. I think what some of us would like to read is more balanced debate which I think is what Tuerto is alluding to. There’s too much bias towards Welsh youth players at Cardiff imo by some fans. I could care less where a Cardiff City player comes from or is born.

Your "bias" is my support. What a ridiculous thing to say. If biased means wanting to encourage and be positive about academy players, then I plead guilty. God only knows we need some talent to come through the ranks, and not to be undermined as they progress. Some people's default position is to picks holes in our young players. I have watched Rubin for about 5 years, since he was in the under 19's. He has always stood out as a talent. Someone with real potential. That doesn't mean he's perfect. But some just want want to focus on his faults. This season the latest one was "he can't last 90 mins" - well he shot that to bits on Saturday. He just keeps proving people wrong.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Your "bias" is my support. What a ridiculous thing to say. If biased means wanting to encourage and be positive about academy players, then I plead guilty. God only knows we need some talent to come through the ranks, and not to be undermined as they progress. Some people's default position is to picks holes in our young players. I have watched Rubin for about 5 years, since he was in the under 19's. He has always stood out as a talent. Someone with real potential. That doesn't mean he's perfect. But some just want want to focus on his faults. This season the latest one was "he can't last 90 mins" - well he shot that to bits on Saturday. He just keeps proving people wrong.

And as if to prove my point you reply with a post that is dripping with indignant emotion, bias and subjectivity. What a ridiculous thing to do (see what I did there?). Your post doesn't read as 'supportive' to me it reads more like someone who has a personal interest. Maybe you're related? Maybe I've touched a nerve?

Whatever it is, the vast majority of fans, ST holders etc don't give a toss about the academy, Welsh players coming through, call them by their first names (they wouldn't know who they are) and haven't followed them since they've been a foetus. Most managers aren't interested either unless there's anyone who's going to further their managerial career. Most people just turn up on a match day and want to see City do well.

Now the fact that some follow the youth, kids, whatever you want to refer to them as, is great. Knock yourself out. But don't get all indignant when your emotionally invested youth player gets judged alongside the rest of his teammates because that's the real world. I kind of agree that it's unhealthy to have such personal investment in 'Rubin' unless you're a mate, family member or connected.

It would be unhealthy for me to start posting about any City players like they were my mates. I'd feel weird doing that.

I have zero guilt about not giving a toss about under 19s or whatever. I pay my money and turn up for a game of football. That's it really.

[Garth Blue]

And as if to prove my point you reply with a post that is dripping with indignant emotion, bias and subjectivity. It's called opinion, but I like the use of "dripping". What a ridiculous thing to do (see what I did there?) - Yep, very clever! . Your post doesn't read as 'supportive' to me it reads more like someone who has a personal interest. I do have a personal interest - I support my club. Maybe you're related? Maybe I've touched a nerve? You get on my nerves, is that the same thing? But no relation or connection.

Whatever it is, the vast majority of fans, ST holders etc don't give a toss about the academy, Welsh players coming through, call them by their first names (they wouldn't know who they are) and haven't followed them since they've been a foetus. Most managers aren't interested either unless there's anyone who's going to further their managerial career. Most people just turn up on a match day and want to see City do well. - I think this is called projection - project your bias on everyone else that supports the club. But perhaps it's better to call it utter bollux?

Now the fact that some follow the youth, kids, whatever you want to refer to them as, is great. Knock yourself out. But don't get all indignant when your emotionally invested youth player gets judged alongside the rest of his teammates because that's the real world. I kind of agree that it's unhealthy to have such personal investment in 'Rubin' unless you're a mate, family member or connected. You're repeating yourself - perhaps I've touched a nerve? - See what I did there?

It would be unhealthy for me to start posting about any City players like they were my mates. I'd feel weird doing that.

I have zero guilt about not giving a toss about under 19s or whatever. I pay my money and turn up for a game of football. That's it really.

Congratulations and thank the lord we are not all like you.

Please see observations above.

[Tuerto]

I think the unhealthy obsession is always picking on things Rubin is less good at, not the things he excels at.

Problem with that is that I always give him credit for the good stuff he does,but let's just say nothing about the things he needs to improve on if his career is to advance. Hr needs to add goals and more assists, because that's the position he plays, it's not that difficult to understand. While we're at it let's say nothing of a goalkeeper who doesn't come for crosses, a full back who can't tackle or a midfield player who can't pass the ball. Let's just concentrate on the positives. I like that.

[Garth Blue]

Problem with that is that I always give him credit for the good stuff he does,but let's just say nothing about the things he needs to improve on if his career is to advance. Hr needs to add goals and more assists, because that's the position he plays, it's not that difficult to understand. While we're at it let's say nothing of a goalkeeper who doesn't come for crosses, a full back who can't tackle or a midfield player who can't pass the ball. Let's just concentrate on the positives. I like that.

Thanks for you input. I'll not be coming to any of your motivational sessions.