Why are we continuing to drag this on? It’s embarrassing and crass. He was our player. What am I missing?
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Why are we continuing to drag this on? It’s embarrassing and crass. He was our player. What am I missing?
The £120 Million Tan wants from NantesOriginally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub
from the club's point of view he was our player that the other club chucked onto an illegal death trap flight and subsequently have faced no consequences
Does the responsibility on that not come down to Sala? If he turns down our flight and chooses to arrange one of his own accord with McKay, what difference does it make that he was acting on behalf of Nantes on this particular deal?
I’m struggling to see our case and think it epitomises the sad state of football that we are still pursuing this
It may not be morally attractive but legally it would appear Cardiff City .....as in the business ......not us the fans ......have a very good case
If tan and the club win that 120 million then that would reduce the debt and make the sale of the club more attractive
It's said a lot of our fanbase want a new owner ......well this is part of the process it could be argued ?
I am not taking sides , I am saying if this happens it could be a progress forward
He won't get all of that, but a tenth could make a difference in the transfer market and give him a slightly increased chance of a Premier League team to sell, either way he thinks it's worth the gamble and it's hs money, so up to him.
They’ve clearly been told they have a case after getting compensation insurance last year…..
Maybe that's why you're not the solicitor for the club!
What is the case?
Sala arranged his own transport via Mckay after turning down our offer of a commercial flight. I don’t see how Nantes can be held responsible for that even if McKay was the agent working on the deal. The deal had been completed
McKay was banned and he’s been linked I think…..
Perhaps it was Sala’s choice, not to spends hours at an airport, to sit next to the great unwashed on a flight. Then spend further time getting off the plane, queue for the passport check, collect own luggage and then face an hour transfer from Bristol to Cardiff. do both us and Nantes sue him and his insurance?
Considering the money he was about to earn he took the convenient option (most would) - probably wouldn’t have come out of his pocket anyway.
If you blame Sala for making that choice then, is it fair that Cardiff have to payout still and is it fair that Nantes have to write off their asset?
The whole thing as a mess and there are no winners here and above all else a couple of young men have lost their lives - as if the families weren’t heartbroken enough they still have this to deal with.
From memory City had bought Sala a ticket for a flight from Nantes to Heathrow and were sending a car up to Heathrow to pick him up. if this was the case (can anyone back me up here) he wouldn't have had the hassle of finding his own way from Bristol (as I'm pretty sure he was not flying into that airport). Also it's not much of a problem getting off the plane, queuing for the passport check, and collecting his own luggage. You make that sound like a major chore. Have you ever flown? Also, I fly several times per year and I am yet at 64 years old, to sit next to someone unwashed, either at an airport waiting area to board a flight nor sitting on a plane. The flight was 45 minutes (think) not 27 hours
I thought we had offered to buy him a ticket but he rejected our offer.
Cheers. You could well be right, and from memory the flight was a 45 minute one from Nantes to Heathrow, with City sending a car to pick him up and drive him to Cardiff
I think it was stated that City offered him a commercial flight that evening.
I am trying to paint the picture of a footballer who now has a choice to take an easy, quick private direct flight.
The cost of it isn’t even the consideration as he wouldn’t be paying for it.
Describing the airport routine suggests I have flown before and sat next few smelly and large ones too.
We are all guessing here and my two pence worth is Tan went after McKay and proved that he was acting for Nantes in some capacity. This being done and the fact that the flight was illegal in the sense that the pilot was not qualified gives Tan a very credible case in my view.A result in Tan's favour would enable him to sell the club at a realistic price as well as leaving us in a much healthier position financially.I think that Sludge is on the money.
If the French court thinks it's an entirely spurious case they'll kick it out. If they don't do that then they clearly think there's an argument worth hearing. Let's see what happens.
I wonder if the outcome would have different consequences if the case was undertaken in the British judiciary system rather than in France?
I think I read somewhere that it is completely forbidden in French criminal law (not just civil) for a football team to work with unlicensed agents. Some arrests have already been made
If the French courts are gunning for Nantes and we can draw a line between Nantes > McKay > Sala, then it does smell like we have a case, especially in France for Nantes falling foul of using unlicensed agents.
You can't trust the French, but let's see if they do something honest for once, I doubt they will though, a decent case if it was held anywhere else i would have through.
Lets hope Kitman is right about this
I think I read somewhere that it is completely forbidden in French criminal law (not just civil) for a football team to work with unlicensed agents. Some arrests have already been made
If the French courts are gunning for Nantes and we can draw a line between Nantes > McKay > Sala, then it does smell like we have a case, especially in France for Nantes falling foul of using unlicensed agents.
I understood that the relevant French law means that the club that employs an agent (in this case McKay - Mark and/or Willie) is liable for the actions of that agent, in a way that is less explicit and clear in UK law. The Sala transfer was complete at the time of his death in a grey flight organised by Willie McKay, but Mark McKay was still contracted to Nantes at the time and using his father Willie (who was disqualified as an agent) to act on his behalf with the knowledge of Nantes.
As far as I can see the question of the transfer is not really relevant to the civil case. Nantes (through their agent McKay) were a third party who arranged an illegal flight that killed Sala and caused Cardiff City a financial loss. The club want to recover their loss, and most of the legal and (French) press commentary I have seen suggests there is a strong case.
Excellent summary, yes I also believe this is the case Cardiff City are pursuing
That sounds positive, fingers crossed.
Could well do. Don't know whether it's to Tan's advantage or not.
I don’t blame anyone bar the people who knew the pilot wasn’t fit to fly. Even if McKay was one of them, I still don’t see where Nantes come in to it?
If he had gone back to Nantes 4 weeks later and this had happened would it even be a thing? It feels to me we are trying to create a grey area around the timing of everything but the deal and the responsibilities of certain agents and clubs but the deal had been completed and Nantes had no obligation to put him on any transport.
All seems very wrong to me. As is the laughable sums they have come up with. Our club is once again being dragged through the mud
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