Sky Prediction Of General Election

[Keyser Soze]

Plaid are insane

Nationalism will never work

I would only vote for them if the only other option was the Tories

I think “Nationalism” is too simplistic. It really depends what Nationalism flavour. If you mean Plaid’s current view of Nationalism=Independence I would agree at the moment. Demographics and lack of track record means they won’t get it.

But the SNP’s Nationalism does work in the sense they provided a non-independence platform for a Scottish party to run Scotland in the Scottish interests, and Scottish priorities. Sure they want independence but that was rejected. Scots of all hues: Socialists, centrists and Tartan Tories have backed the SNP to sort Scottish problems. So that formof Nationalism works for sure.

To me, that form of Nationalism could work for Wales, and to a degree Welsh Labour provide that. But in Wales there are not alternatives. Plaid’s critical error is asking for the keys to the Ferrari (independence) when they haven’t even established themselves as a credible party of Welsh government. So if they barked less about independence, and instead focused on effective local government, they could compete. Once they compete and establish themselves, only then can they ask for the keys - when a more indy-supportive youngsters become mainstream and cynical-elders pass away.

[pipster]

I think “Nationalism” is too simplistic. It really depends what Nationalism flavour. If you mean Plaid’s current view of Nationalism=Independence I would agree at the moment. Demographics and lack of track record means they won’t get it.

But the SNP’s Nationalism does work in the sense they provided a non-independence platform for a Scottish party to run Scotland in the Scottish interests, and Scottish priorities. Sure they want independence but that was rejected. Scots of all hues: Socialists, centrists and Tartan Tories have backed the SNP to sort Scottish problems. So that formof Nationalism works for sure.

To me, that form of Nationalism could work for Wales, and to a degree Welsh Labour provide that. But in Wales there are not alternatives. Plaid’s critical error is asking for the keys to the Ferrari (independence) when they haven’t even established themselves as a credible party of Welsh government. So if they barked less about independence, and instead focused on effective local government, they could compete. Once they compete and establish themselves, only then can they ask for the keys - when a more indy-supportive youngsters become mainstream and cynical-elders pass away.

How are the SNP getting on ? - domestically - drug use, alcoholism, diet, obesity. They want rid of Westminster and want to under the control of a parliament even further away in Brussels. Wee Nicky husband arrested on a fraud charge, with Kranky junior not far behind into the dock. SNP are doing Labours job for them.

If we Wales would be better off in terms of GDP then we would have a chance. But being led by Plaid in charge - oh my giddy aunt. They are bent on every level, puts Gething to shame

[Eric Cartman]

How are the SNP getting on ? - domestically - drug use, alcoholism, diet, obesity. They want rid of Westminster and want to under the control of a parliament even further away in Brussels. Wee Nicky husband arrested on a fraud charge, with Kranky junior not far behind into the dock. SNP are doing Labours job for them.

If we Wales would be better off in terms of GDP then we would have a chance. But being led by Plaid in charge - oh my giddy aunt. They are bent on every level, puts Gething to shame

If GDP outweighed hope and the human addiction to feeling superior then the UK would still be in the EU. Nationalism doesn't seem to be dictated by economics but by emotion.

[Keyser Soze]

How are the SNP getting on ? - domestically - drug use, alcoholism, diet, obesity. They want rid of Westminster and want to under the control of a parliament even further away in Brussels. Wee Nicky husband arrested on a fraud charge, with Kranky junior not far behind into the dock. SNP are doing Labours job for them.

If we Wales would be better off in terms of GDP then we would have a chance. But being led by Plaid in charge - oh my giddy aunt. They are bent on every level, puts Gething to shame

Pipster.

I was not commenting on whether the SNP are good or bad, or even if they are delivering to their programme. But they have secured power and dominated for a decade. That ability to win power is the ultimate sign of how ‘strong’ a party is. How ‘good’ or ‘bad’ they are is then a matter of opinion.

In the case of Plaid they have never won a majority, or even close to it. That is where they can learn from the SNP. As an aside I agree that SNP are in a hole, but at least they have shown they can be a sustained political force.