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Thread: Cab for Kaba !!!

  1. #26

    Re: Cab for Kaba !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five View Post
    There's a difference between not being a good player, and being crap. He scored goals - crap players dont.
    Eddie Johnson scored 78 goals in his club career and 50 representing his country at different levels.

  2. #27

    Re: Cab for Kaba !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    he would improve us
    With the strikers we've had that wouldn't be too difficult.
    If we want to watch football that is a bit easier on the eye then Kaba isn't the answer.

  3. #28

    Re: Cab for Kaba !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    Eddie Johnson scored 78 goals in his club career and 50 representing his country at different levels.
    It would have been more useful if you'd stated how many games that was in his club career. Old fruit.

  4. #29

    Re: Cab for Kaba !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five View Post
    It would have been more useful if you'd stated how many games that was in his club career. Old fruit.
    You didn't state goals per game as being the yardstick, old fruit. I used your own absolutism.

  5. #30

    Re: Cab for Kaba !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five View Post
    With the strikers we've had that wouldn't be too difficult.
    If we want to watch football that is a bit easier on the eye then Kaba isn't the answer.
    Did you not see his goal from the overhead kick ? Won goal of the season I think. Tends to go against your theory that he couldn't play.

  6. #31

    Re: Cab for Kaba !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch Mort View Post
    I thought he was offloaded on loan to us from Mitdjyland because of his attitude problem. Now not wanted by Las Palmas
    Any sources for this opinion ? Dont recall that being mentioned at all at the time. They have a 6 week winter break in Denmark (Jan 1st to Feb 20th) and this had something to do with it plus Kaba wanted to play in the UK and asked for the move.

  7. #32

    Re: Cab for Kaba !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    Any sources for this opinion ? Dont recall that being mentioned at all at the time. They have a 6 week winter break in Denmark (Jan 1st to Feb 20th) and this had something to do with it plus Kaba wanted to play in the UK and asked for the move.
    I don’t have any link but I seem to remember it being well discussed at the time.

  8. #33

    Re: Cab for Kaba !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    Did you not see his goal from the overhead kick ? Won goal of the season I think. Tends to go against your theory that he couldn't play.
    Won our goal of the season in a season bereft of goals (at the right end at least), let alone spectacular goals.

    One moment like that doesn't mean he's a great footballer.

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  10. #35

    Re: Cab for Kaba !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    Did you not see his goal from the overhead kick ? Won goal of the season I think. Tends to go against your theory that he couldn't play.
    If you'd bothered to read the whole thread you'd have seen I was actually defending him against those that said he was crap.
    I also acknowledged that he had a knack of being in the right place at the right time.
    He tried that overhead-kick again in a later game, it didn't come off, as is often the case with this type of effort.

  11. #36

    Re: Cab for Kaba !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    Any sources for this opinion ? Dont recall that being mentioned at all at the time. They have a 6 week winter break in Denmark (Jan 1st to Feb 20th) and this had something to do with it plus Kaba wanted to play in the UK and asked for the move.
    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...-fine-26128060

  12. #37

    Re: Cab for Kaba !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    You didn't state goals per game as being the yardstick, old fruit. I used your own absolutism.
    Well I'm certainly going to be more impressed by a striker with 78 goals in, say... 230 games than 460, I think that stands to reason.

  13. #38

    Re: Cab for Kaba !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five View Post
    Well I'm certainly going to be more impressed by a striker with 78 goals in, say... 230 games than 460, I think that stands to reason.
    That is a strike ratio of under 0.2 goals per game or 1 in 5. Let’s be blunt - that is absolutely guff. But it looks heroic next to Meite’s goals per game ratio which is 0.05 (1 in 20). Even for a winger that is just shite. I would expect central midfielders or defenders to get that sort of ratio, not a striker / winger.

    Wingers and wide forwards should be looking for 1 in 4 or 1 in 3 if they are exceptional, in a 4-3-3. A good striker ought to be looking at 1 in 2, and a minimum of 1 in 3 (1 in 3 as long as other wingers or an attacking midfielder / 10 are contributing similarly). Meite’s statistics alone are a reason we need to cut him loose on a free.

    Strikers are paid to score goals - pure and simple. Chris Pike’s skills were terrible but he was “right place, right time” and consitently knew where the net was. Regardless of how it is done, goals win games. Arguing that he is poor because he can’t do other stuff is like sacking your carpenter for not being good at
    plumbing.

  14. #39

    Re: Cab for Kaba !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five View Post
    Well I'm certainly going to be more impressed by a striker with 78 goals in, say... 230 games than 460, I think that stands to reason.
    397 games, actually.

  15. #40

    Re: Cab for Kaba !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    397 games, actually.
    I was using hypothetical figures, as I'm sure you knew. Old fruit.

  16. #41

    Re: Cab for Kaba !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Keyser Soze View Post
    That is a strike ratio of under 0.2 goals per game or 1 in 5. Let’s be blunt - that is absolutely guff. But it looks heroic next to Meite’s goals per game ratio which is 0.05 (1 in 20). Even for a winger that is just shite. I would expect central midfielders or defenders to get that sort of ratio, not a striker / winger.

    Wingers and wide forwards should be looking for 1 in 4 or 1 in 3 if they are exceptional, in a 4-3-3. A good striker ought to be looking at 1 in 2, and a minimum of 1 in 3 (1 in 3 as long as other wingers or an attacking midfielder / 10 are contributing similarly). Meite’s statistics alone are a reason we need to cut him loose on a free.

    Strikers are paid to score goals - pure and simple. Chris Pike’s skills were terrible but he was “right place, right time” and consitently knew where the net was. Regardless of how it is done, goals win games. Arguing that he is poor because he can’t do other stuff is like sacking your carpenter for not being good at
    plumbing.
    Sadly that's the modern game. Strikers are expected to do more than score goals - it's almost as if scoring goals is secondary to putting in a shift.

  17. #42

    Re: Cab for Kaba !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Sadly that's the modern game. Strikers are expected to do more than score goals - it's almost as if scoring goals is secondary to putting in a shift.
    At the upper end of the game, sure. But at clubs where we have less ability with transfer fees, and coaches who do not have that level of tactical acumen and play more simple systems (as we have) the requirements are more basic.

    In our case if we play 4-3-3 and the midfielders aren’t scoring much, and the front 3 don’t score
    much, then having a Sory Kaba who can bang in 10, or a Kieffer Moore banging 15, is far more valuable in terms of “goals scored” than Meite, who cannot hold it up, cannot beat a man, assists are low and cannot score.

    Having a Firmino, a Rashford, or a Jesus who bang in only 10 is acceptable because they also register a high level of key passes and assists. It is also more tolerable because Mane and Salah (the other 2 in the front 3) were banging in 10-20. With Arsenal, Saka and Martinelli will chip in with somewhere around 8-12 goals and also register assists and key passes. United had Bruno Fernandez at 10 chipping in with 10-15, Mc Tominay 5-7, the Brazilian guy with a few and Hoijlund chipping in 5-10.

    In our case Karlan Grant scored less than 5. Meite scored 2. Tanner - 2/3? So now you see the problem. At 10 we had the Scottish dude who barely scored and the centre mids contributed a fraction of a chuff as well. I think our centre halves scored more than the midfield and Meite!

    So in our case, if the midfield and wide men are not putting a shift in for scoring, and we don’t have the budget, or a top manager, to play a highly technical system (like Leeds or Ipswich) , then we need to get realistic and agree that we don’t live in a perfect world like Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal. So we have to box clever and operate within our budgetary, squad, technical and tactical limitations. Or in military parlance, “We can only piss with the cock we’ve got.” Therefore it is more sensible and pragmatic to have two 9s that are capable of hitting 10-20 goals to compensate for a lack of output elsewhere - unless anyone seriously believes that Bulut will pull rabbits out of a hat in the transfer market and get us playing like Pep Guardiola.

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