Reply With QuoteA lot of people say the bookies are never wrong, but a lot of people talk a lot of nonsense.Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
The bookies are wrong on a very regular basis.
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They don't rate Bulut or our squad, will they be wrong?
https://www.oddschecker.com/football...h/championship
I think TLG did a post about this previously, I think it was about the same then?
Seems harsh to me, but they say they are never wrong.
Top half again at least I think!
A lot of people say the bookies are never wrong, but a lot of people talk a lot of nonsense.
The bookies are wrong on a very regular basis.
About 15th morelike
Our form for the last 6 months of last season was bottom half form, only relegated Rotherham lost more, conceded more and scored fewer over those months. While we had a great start, that start was the only reason for our top half finish.
We've not really added any great quality to our side so far.
TLG is right that bookies get things wrong. I'm not a gambler but enjoy looking at odds just as the roughest of guides. Obviously those having a punt don't rate us and I can understand why.
If we continue as we did for the last 6 months we have no chance of a top half finish. Other than just blind optimism, I don't understand how anyone really thinks we have the potential to be a top half side. We both agree that Bulut needs to release the shackles somewhat and if he does, maybe. But for me we've a lot of work to do to become a top half side let alone anything better.
Fair enough that makes sense, I think we will finish in the top half because we did last season, and I think we will have better players this season, but it's still early and hard to predict until this window closes, loans will probably be key to our season.
As has been said on here many times, trying to predict our likely finishing position before the transfer window closes is pointless. Who knows what our final squad will look like when business has been concluded.
Similarly, our results at the back end of last season have no bearing on what will happen this season. Players are returning to fitness, there will be new combinations all over the park, some ineffective players have returned to their parent clubs and most important of all, it is hoped that the manager will have learned a lot from last season. And yes, the bookies are not always right.
Yes it's just a saying everyone knows that
They win in the end though, as right more than wrong
We could be the surprise team, if the quality of the signings made so far are anything to go by.Yes it's just a saying everyone knows that
They win in the end though, as right more than wrong
We still need 2-3 more in, including another forward and a CM box to box player.
Anything can happen in the next week or so before the season starts, so it’s a bit early for the bookies to write us off just yet
The bookies’ predictions for the last five Championship seasons (and where City actually finished):
2019/20 – 3rd (finished 5th)
2020/21 – 7th (finished 8th)
2021/22 – 5th (finished 18th)
2022/23 – 16th (finished 21st)
2023/24 – 20th (finished 12th)
Its' not so much what we have done - but what other clubs have done - is there a team that has spent big over the last couple of months ? I dont keep track of other clubs signings
I think the bookies had us bottom 5 last season
they did and look what a great job Bulut did to get us into into the top half of the championship when really should have been playing League 1 football last season
When i look at the teams coming down this season and the likes of Hull /West Brom and Leeds to name a few still in the league think it will be a tall order to dent the top 6 season this season but still looking forward to it .
I think around 14th - 10th depending how the new guys start off especially Kanga.
Wouldn't it be nice for our striker to hit the net early - it might be my mind playing tricks but more often than not they don't hit the ground running even if they have had a good pre season 🤔
I think Kaba did and Ike Ugbo last season.
I haven't read too much about Kanga's situation, but I'd guess if he was in dispute with Hertha Berlin and not a part of their plans, he won't have been training with them or playing in any pre-season friendlies. If that's the case, he's probably not going to be match fit for a while yet.
The same must be true of El Ghazi. He hasn't started a game for anyone since May 2023.
True and seems to be a bit of a blueprint for us bringing in players who are not match fit - willock and chambers were in that class when they were signed
Fair point I'd forgotten about those two but apart from ugbo and Saba what have the strikers done for us 🤣🤣
Probably transfer values and overall squad value is a factor in the odds, as we haven't spent any money on transfer fees for quite a while, as we now seem to be working on frees and loans.
https://www.oddschecker.com/football...ship/promotion
Bets for promotion third from bottom today
Cruel
slighly misleading as that list that ranks in ascending order of the highest odds from each bookie.
It looks like 2 (very niche) bookies out of 27 have us very generious odds on us not getting promoted at 20/1, the vast majoirity of (arguabely more established) bookies have us between 11 and 14 to 1 which places us a bit higher up the list.
Dont get me wrong though, we are clearly very unfancied for promotion, but that doesn mean we are favourites for relegation
The current Championship relegation odds with SkyBet are:
11/8 - Oxford
9/4 - Plymouth
4/1 - Blackburn
4/1 - Derby
4/1 - Millwall
4/1 - Preston
9/2 - Cardiff
11/2 - Bristol City
11/2 - Swansea
11/2 - Watford
So, Oxford and Plymouth are clear favourites, but little between the next eight in the betting.
I think the Board will be expecting far more from Bulut and his team than the bookies are predicting, think we’ll be changing our manager again if we go into 2025 in the bottom third of the league.
OK good I didn't study it, that's a bit more like it based on us finishing 12th last year
It's an odd league hard to know what will happen with those eight, they don't fancy Swansea or Bristol either.
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