Colwill, how good can he be?

[olderblue]

I’ve long championed Colwill on here, as too me watching a talented individual who can create something from nothing is what makes football so exciting

That was a perfect performance yesterday, where he ran the show
I’ve always maintained that a good manager would build a team around such a talented player, other people have a different view?

If he watched that performance yesterday, Erol who is clueless would still be talking about the need for Colwill to improve his defensive duties 🤡

How good a player can Colwill actually be?

[the other bob wilson]

I’ve long championed Colwill on here, as too me watching a talented individual who can create something from nothing is what makes football so exciting

That was a perfect performance yesterday, where he ran the show
I’ve always maintained that a good manager would build a team around such a talented player, other people have a different view?

If he watched that performance yesterday, Erol who is clueless would still be talking about the need for Colwill to improve his defensive duties 🤡

How good a player can Colwill actually be?

Like you, I've always backed Colwill on here, but it's striking how many managers have had doubts about him. In fact, I'd say the only two past managers he's had who seemed to fully trust him were Mick McCarthy and, for a while, Rob Page, both of whom would not win many popularity contests among City or Wales fans. Riza clearly trusts him and, after holding his career back for a year and more, there were some signs that Bulut had recognised that his best position was a number ten/false nine, but there were still the usual provisos with our not missed at all former manager.

I can see what Craig Bellamy means about Colwill sprinting as it doesn't seem to come naturally to him and, to use a term I hate, his "optics" aren't good in terms of his agility and movement - he often looks like he's struggling.

Colwill's not helped when it comes to international football by the fact Wales have so many of what i'll call attacking midfielders to choose from, but, watching him brush aside (was it a foul?) that Plymouth player yesterday in the build up to the third goal, I think his physicality is now becoming the asset it wasn't before and I'd say his performances this season (especially yesterday when there ware end products to his flair) mean that he has to feature in Welsh senior squads now that the under 21 qualifying phase is over.

As for his club team, he has become indispensable.

[Trigger]

I think he has improved massively this season.

He looks far more capable of actually creating or scoring goals, he isn't always doing too much with the ball and his work rate is far better.

He looks much fitter. Even yesterday at times he looked to be blowing after a run but then was fairly quickly back and able to go again when he was given the ball.

Part of this will be that he's now getting more consistent time on the pitch but I thought even earlier in the season when he was coming off the bench he just looks to have improved overall and was making an impact.

He could become a PL player. I don't think he's near that yet mind.

[Lord Worcester]

How good is he already!

[caerkid]

Colwill's not helped when it comes to international football by the fact Wales have so many of what i'll call attacking midfielders to choose from, but, watching him brush aside (was it a foul?) that Plymouth player yesterday in the build up to the third goal, I think his physicality is now becoming the asset it wasn't before and I'd say his performances this season (especially yesterday when there ware end products to his flair) mean that he has to feature in Welsh senior squads now that the under 21 qualifying phase is over.

On a Wales tangent (and just to say he looked brilliant yesterday) but fully agree. He's in an area with players in the Welsh squad who are more experienced ,and possibly talented ,but Wilson, Dan James and Brooks are all significantly physically weaker. Colwill , Amapdu and James should be a solid midfield pack to stand up to teams when needed whilst still being able to create goals.

[The Bloop]

Giving him a starting place has I think been a massive boost to his confidence. Being labelled and used as an impact sub, can't have done much for his confidence, especially when in many instances he was brought on when we were already losing.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I wouldn't replace him with Ramsey when he's fit for 2 games in March 2025.

[bobh]

Previous managers' comments about Colwill remind me of WBA's manager (Can't recall who it was) about Ernie when he was there - "He can score, but doesn't do much off the ball"

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

Previous managers' comments about Colwill remind me of WBA's manager (Can't recall who it was) about Ernie when he was there - "He can score, but doesn't do much off the ball"

I think it was Bryan Robson.
Robson was frustrated by Ernie in possession of the ball, he said Earnshaw didn't look up.

[Eric Cartman]

Like you, I've always backed Colwill on here, but it's striking how many managers have had doubts about him. In fact, I'd say the only two past managers he's had who seemed to fully trust him were Mick McCarthy and, for a while, Rob Page, both of whom would not win many popularity contests among City or Wales fans. Riza clearly trusts him and, after holding his career back for a year and more, there were some signs that Bulut had recognised that his best position was a number ten/false nine, but there were still the usual provisos with our not missed at all former manager.

I can see what Craig Bellamy means about Colwill sprinting as it doesn't seem to come naturally to him and, to use a term I hate, his "optics" aren't good in terms of his agility and movement - he often looks like he's struggling.

Colwill's not helped when it comes to international football by the fact Wales have so many of what i'll call attacking midfielders to choose from, but, watching him brush aside (was it a foul?) that Plymouth player yesterday in the build up to the third goal, I think his physicality is now becoming the asset it wasn't before and I'd say his performances this season (especially yesterday when there ware end products to his flair) mean that he has to feature in Welsh senior squads now that the under 21 qualifying phase is over.

As for his club team, he has become indispensable.

I think his goal showed his strength as well - The fact that he could execute the touch, turn and finish exceptionally while holding a defender off.

He basically took the piss out of the opposition (in a respectful way) for his 60 minutes yesterday. Best player on the pitch by light years. He will obviously still have shit games and Vs a team with more energy, he might come a cropper but that was seriously impressive.

[Former Labour leader]

TOBW has used the term 'flat track bullies' for a City team in the distant past. I wonder if Colwill, Tanner,Robertson, are those sort of players. Good when the going is easy, but struggle when things get tough. Hopefully not, as that performance by Colwill was as good as I've seen by City player for years. Robertson and Tanner weren't that far behind.

[WJ99mobile]

He’s starting to learn to directly pass the ball when under pressure or a better option is available.

He’s getting better but think he’s helped by the players around him at the moment

[NinianKnight]

Robertson and Tanner weren't that far behind.

That would be another good thread for discussion, how good could Roberstson and Tanner eventually be?

[NinianKnight]

How good a player can Colwill actually be?

Brilliant question. I am going out on a complete limb and one which has all the potential to blow up in my face.

Rubin Colwill is going to the very top. I don't know exactly which top club he will end up at but it will be one of the top 6 probably Spurs but eventually a super club like Real Madrid, Barcelona etc

[xsnaggle]

Previous managers' comments about Colwill remind me of WBA's manager (Can't recall who it was) about Ernie when he was there - "He can score, but doesn't do much off the ball"

Robson. He also said that he wasn't a bad sub after earnie came of the bench when WB were losing and scored a hat trick.

[NinianKnight]

Previous managers' comments about Colwill remind me of WBA's manager (Can't recall who it was) about Ernie when he was there - "He can score, but doesn't do much off the ball"

Robson wasn't the only manager to make those comments about Earnie. I used to get so fustrated when I heard them. Earnie was a goal scorer end of. Lennie Lawernce was the best manager Earnie ever had. There seemed to be an undocumented agreement between them that Earnie's job was to score 25 goals per season anything else was a bonus.

If Robson or any of Earnie's other managers wanted a target man then why didn't they sign a forward who is good at link play/holding the ball up etc?

If you wanted goals Earnie was your man, just leave him to do his stuff

[Eric Cartman]

Brilliant question. I am going out on a complete limb and one which has all the potential to blow up in my face.

Rubin Colwill is going to the very top. I don't know exactly which top club he will end up at but it will be one of the top 6 probably Spurs but eventually a super club like Real Madrid, Barcelona etc

I think that's probably a big stretch but love to see some positivity around one of our players. If he had pace he would have been punted on by a big club by now and we would have been talking about what might have been. If he plays like that frequently until the end of the season, it's unlikely he will be here next year.

[severncity]

I think that's probably a big stretch but love to see some positivity around one of our players. If he had pace he would have been punted on by a big club by now and we would have been talking about what might have been. If he plays like that frequently until the end of the season, it's unlikely he will be here next year.

If he continues to play as he did against Bristol City and Plymouth Argyle he will almost certainly be the subject of a big bid by a struggling Premier League team in January. He is a game-changer and could be a great impact-player

[llan bluebird]

I believe with modern-day "over the top" analysis of the game, Fifa or championship manager games and every coach having to do the same badges we use this mythical perfection model for every player.

We spend far too much time talking about what players can't do. That is all fine and dandy in the super elite clubs, backed by states and large corporations but on planet Earth its about finding a winning team.

At the championship level, Rubin can give you something that most teams can't handle as long as he is not burdened with his primary instruction of tracking a runner, he is an offensive player and we have to build a defensive system around the other 9. It's not a free pass, he won a fair few duels yesterday but you need to accept that not his game. A mobile center forward like Robinson allows Rubin to drop into the 9 slot, playing a lummox won't.

Malky hid Whitt's weaknesses by putting 4 physical anaerobic monsters in front of him and that was the deal as long as he controlled the game, which he did until the run-in. Because at championship level Whitts was technically at a different level, if he had the physicality he would have been a top premier league player and only visited Cardiff for cup finals. The same can be said of Rubin but in a more advanced position.

Wales are not playing through the thirds, they are more concerned with getting the ball back higher up the field, its a different system and one that won't suit Rubins's lack of mobility compared to Wilson and even Rambo (whilst he is on the pitch)

Its good to see a manager not wed to a monster center-forward, and i am hoping that Issac Davies can finally show us what he is all about.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Wales wise I don't care at present , for city I think he could be a very influential player in a top 8 championship side

I don't think he's going to be subject to a big money deal because , as yet, he's already 22 and still not consistent enough

His goal yesterday and the pass for Robertson strike were first class though

He also played a great inside ball for tanners Bristol City goal

He needs cover though from the likes of Robertson and Turnbull , if these 2 show they can dominate the middle

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I believe with modern-day "over the top" analysis of the game, Fifa or championship manager games and every coach having to do the same badges we use this mythical perfection model for every player.

We spend far too much time talking about what players can't do. That is all fine and dandy in the super elite clubs, backed by states and large corporations but on planet Earth its about finding a winning team.

At the championship level, Rubin can give you something that most teams can't handle as long as he is not burdened with his primary instruction of tracking a runner, he is an offensive player and we have to build a defensive system around the other 9. It's not a free pass, he won a fair few duels yesterday but you need to accept that not his game. A mobile center forward like Robinson allows Rubin to drop into the 9 slot, playing a lummox won't.

Malky hid Whitt's weaknesses by putting 4 physical anaerobic monsters in front of him and that was the deal as long as he controlled the game, which he did until the run-in. Because at championship level Whitts was technically at a different level, if he had the physicality he would have been a top premier league player and only visited Cardiff for cup finals. The same can be said of Rubin but in a more advanced position.

Wales are not playing through the thirds, they are more concerned with getting the ball back higher up the field, its a different system and one that won't suit Rubins's lack of mobility compared to Wilson and even Rambo (whilst he is on the pitch)

Its good to see a manager not wed to a monster center-forward, and i am hoping that Issac Davies can finally show us what he is all about.

Witts was a very physical unit , very powerful but never really needed to use it

He had so much class on the ball

[Lord Worcester]

I was gutted when Earnie left for WBA. Even more so when Robson spouted all his nonsense. This desire to focus on what players cannot do rather than what they can do has been going on for ages - and really annoys me. I just want to enjoy watching Rubin play without all the caveats of ‘run more, work harder, track back, etc etc’. He is a very gifted footballer imho. Yesterday, for the first time since, I felt like I used to watching witts in his pomp - bar the odd Tomlin masterclass.

[delmbox]

Brilliant question. I am going out on a complete limb and one which has all the potential to blow up in my face.

Rubin Colwill is going to the very top. I don't know exactly which top club he will end up at but it will be one of the top 6 probably Spurs but eventually a super club like Real Madrid, Barcelona etc

I'm rooting for the kid but behave yourself

[Dorcus]

If he continues to play as he did against Bristol City and Plymouth Argyle he will almost certainly be the subject of a big bid by a struggling Premier League team in January. He is a game-changer and could be a great impact-player

Southampton??? 🤔

[Dorcus]

I wouldn't replace him with Ramsey when he's fit for 2 games in March 2025.

Me neither; I think Colwill should be above him every time now.