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Hardly tempting that scenario
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So.
Would you take relegation if it brought about the following -
- Vincent Tan sells up .... leaves ..... whatever , he's gone.
- The club is taken over by a bunch of comparatively rich but sensible locals who are also supporters or at least have a minimal understanding of the culture of CCFC.
- The new board would mostly invest in the academy, spending enough on the first team to keep it relatively buoyant in League One.
- We'd be there for a 5 seasons before ultimately gaining promotion back to the Championship
Personally , I'd take something like that.
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5 years in L1 🤣🤣🤣
Hardly tempting that scenario
Absolutely not.Originally Posted by Divine Wright
So are you asking if I would accept a relegation now + 5 years in league one to get rid of Vincent Tan?
No, not for me.
Not judging you if it is for you, but I'd be happy to see Tan successful here - especially if he gets his way and we have an attacking team packed with youth etc.
Also the guy's in his 70s already anyway- presumably at some point he'll sell up.
That said, if the scenario you described did happen it wouldn't change much for me.
I think we could achieve this with Tan.
I think that if Tan's wish was to have an attacking team packed with youth he'd have done it by now. Instead we've generally had managers who have preferred experience over giving youth a chance during the time he's owned the club.
I also reckon virtually all City fans would be happy if Tan was successful here. Unfortunately it looks like the opposite is happening, hence lots of concern.
Given the levels of woe on here during the start to the season, I would dread to think what this place would be like after 5 years of mid table league one football.
Personally, I feel frustrated because the people in charge keep on making the same mistakes over and over again.
They have no plan on the footballing side, and have no respect for the supporters.
Tan is wasting everyone's time trying to make a success of this project. Meanwhile, people sit and hope that the board will bungle its' way to a manager who can repeat what McKay and Warnock did, only this time on a much smaller budget.
People sit in hope that he'll hire someone with footballing knowledge to run the club.
In the meantime another decade will have passed and we'll have made little to no progress. At least, I don't see any shoots of hope for the future.
I'd muuuch prefer to be back in the same league in a few years time with a coherent plan instead of being in the championship in five years time with the same people running things, making the same short term decisions.
Repeating the last 5 is more tempting ??
Of course not and its massively naive.
We already know no matter how much investment Man City etc will pick up the best.
5 years in the Championship or 5 years In L1. Yes.
I wouldn't take five years in league one, but I think there are a few examples of bigger clubs getting relegated and using it as a reset and in some cases clearing out the higher earners, rebuilding the fan base etc. It doesn't have to be a disaster.
But then you have clubs like Charlton who seem stuck there.
I’d agree with that. We’ve been relegated to the equivalent of the Third Division three times since I started watching the club in 1963 and each time our stay in the third tier lasted just one season. In 75/76 and 82/83 we were promoted straight back and in 85/86 we suffered a second consecutive relegation. That goes to the heart of my belief that relegation doesn’t have to be a disaster and to why I’d accept the scenario outlined in the OP apart from the bit about it taking us five years to return.
Of course relegation doesnt have to be a disaster and we can all dream of a team with likes of the 2 colwills in midfield, tanner, davies. Etete, bagan being too good for league 1 us having a great season scoring loads of goals and coming back up with a young hungry and local side. It could happen.
However it could also be happen we could either be stuck there or go down again.
A quick look at league 1 with birmingham bolton huddersfield barnsley reading charlton wigan certainly suggests in terms of recent history and realistic size of clubs we would fit in pretty well amongst those.
Absolutely!
That is the concern for me in a relegation scenario: we would have no certainty of a swift return, and could easily become a Charlton.
Look further down the pyramid and you see Notts County, Oldhama similar falling from grace is a distinct possibility for us under the current ownership.
I think if we say that our ambition is to become a Brentford, Brighton or Fulham - teams relatively settled in the Prem, playing some good football and with functioning youth and scouting departments neither scenario is great. There's nobody swooping in to save us from League 1 locally with that kind of money I don't think, and we've seen again and again Tan isn't willing to put the structure in place for it to happen under the current regime. As much as we'd all like to romanticize a local owner and getting our club back, the honest answer is that in today's football it probably requires a team of rich Americans or Arabs stepping in if we really have that ambition.
The nuclear question is what happens if League 1 happens (as it seems to get closer every year) under Tan, he decides he's totally lost interest and wants to get all the money he's invested back when the club is worth a fraction of that. In that case League 1 might be the least of our worries.
With this idiot and his 2 cronies at the helm I'd say it's not a scenario it's just when will it happen.
What happens when 72 year old Vincent Tan passes away? He’s got many more years behind him than in front of him. Will his heirs look favourably on Cardiff City? Or will the club be wound up not being able to pay the debt to the estate? Doubt his family will be willing to fund us.
Most local non-league games were off around me yesterday, so I decided to go and watch Swindon, now Clem the owner that promised so much yet has failed in it all ( Ive met Clem and its hardly surprising, he comes across as a chancer ) so the vibe around is rather negative and the supporters trust is demanding he sells up ( once again, to who is another matter )
they are also fighting relegation out of the FL, a decent game, met a few I knew from coaching workshops, Ollie was happy with the 3 pointshope they stay up
doesnt really matter what league you are in, as long as you have a team, a little hope that you will go up / stay up / have some light at the end of the tunnel
my best days watching city were in the Old League 3, in the early 90's the Eddie may promotion season as special
[QUOTE=Divine Wright;5557826]So.
- The club is taken over by a bunch of comparatively rich but sensible locals who are also supporters or at least have a minimal understanding of the culture of CCFC.
These people don't exist. And is there such a thing as 'the culture of CCFC? The club is, and always has been, a basket case.
[QUOTE=D. Advocaat;5557906]I wonder when it hasn't been?
My only nomination from last 40 years is maybe that first season under malky. We seemed fairly sensible then.
Not stupid wages. No mad rush to go up. A hard working team probably over performing. New owners who seemed sensible. Club maybe punching above our weight. Cup final v Liverpool an all time highlight for all of those reasons.
Playing in a new stadium many of us thought would never be built. Debt worries seemed over.
Not all the football was amazing but off the pitch we seemed fairly stable? Compared to what came before and what was to come after anyway.
Not sure what happened after that season mind...........
[QUOTE=D. Advocaat;5557906]One incredibly wealthy local born man is 70 year old Michael Moritz who now lives in the US. Have tried to reach him via email to ask if he would be interested in buying out the current hierarchy; no response so far but I may not have found his correct email address from the internet.
Anyone here who knows how to contact him (or people close to him) to see if he would be interested? Wikipedia state he is worth USD $6 billion.
[QUOTE=Father Dougal;5557907]I know exactly what happened after that season. One thing that has ended up defining our short sightedness ever since.
When Malky was appointed, the club had a 3 year plan to reach the Premier League. We overachieved in that first season under him and so the club decided to shorten that plan by a year and expected promotion the following season. This was accompanied by money to spend and red shirts.
Ever since then we've never heard of the club having any medium term plans, let alone long term. Each season we've been in the Championship the board or owner have talked of reaching the playoffs and promotion, regardless of how delusional they sound.
In short, we have a clueless bunch trying to run our club that wastes money as a result of their total ineptitude and unwillingness to learn. Given all that has been spent, to be fighting off relegation yet again can only be considered total, complete and utter failure on their part.
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Can't believe he didn't reply!
[QUOTE=Father Dougal;5557911]Must have gone to his spam email!
Can't believe he didn't reply!
I suspect that, like most people in and from Cardiff and S. Wales, he isn't remotely interested in Cardiff City Football Club.
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