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Thread: FT: WALES 7 - 1 NORTH MACEDONIA. Match thread

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    FT: WALES 7 - 1 NORTH MACEDONIA. Match thread

    Cardiff City Stadium
    Date: Tuesday 18 November
    ko 7:45pm

    Live across on BBC 1 and associated BBC apps.
    Breakdown below from BBC Sport


    Wales' route to the 2026 World Cup is now all about permutations and play-offs.

    And after Saturday's 1-0 win in Liechtenstein, the path to next summer's finals will be, decided by a final-day shootout with North Macedonia.

    Cardiff City Stadium will be sold out on Tuesday as Wales' Red Wall of fans hope for another memorable night under the lights.

    This is what will be at stake for manager Craig Bellamy's side.

    As it stands after Saturday's results

    Technically, Wales - or North Macedonia - could still qualify automatically after Belgium, who lead Group J by two points, were held by to a 1-1 draw by 10-man Kazakhstan in Astana.

    But Belgium's last game is against Liechtenstein in Liege, where a win would confirm automatic qualification as group winners.

    With Belgium holding a superior goal difference over their rivals, even a draw against Liechtenstein - who are already eliminated after losing all seven group games - would probably be enough.

    The race for second

    With Wales and North Macedonia neck-and-neck on 13 points, whoever wins on Tuesday will take the runners-up spot.

    But Wales' failure to close the goal difference gap means that a draw will also be enough for the visitors, whose goal difference is five better than that of Wales.

    A win by six or more goals in Vaduz would have given Wales that advantage of going into the final game knowing a point would secure second spot.

    Now, without goalscorer Jordan James and captain Ethan Ampadu who will both be suspended against North Macedonia after collecting their second bookings of the campaign, Wales have no option but to win.

    Play-offs already guaranteed

    However, even if Wales do not win on Tuesday, they are certain of a place in March's play-offs as one of the Uefa Nations League group winners.

    But they would automatically be among the lowest seeds in the draw for the semi-finals.

    And, crucially, that means they would have to face a top seed away from home in the one-off tie.

    Conversely, if Wales beat North Macedonia and finish as runners-up, they would be guaranteed a home semi-final in the play-offs.

    The hosts of the final will be decided by a draw.

    Who could Wales face if they do not win?

    With a full round of matches to play, the identity of potential play-off opponents is still up in the air.

    Apart from the Nations League group winners who are automatically in pot four of the play-offs, the remaining pots are decided by the Fifa rankings and confirmed after this week's final fixtures.

    Sweden, Northern Ireland and Romania are all certain to be in pot four, with either Wales or North Macedonia joining them.

    They will face a top seed away from home - and as it stands, it looks likely that could be Italy, Turkey, Ukraine or Poland. Denmark would be a top-seeded team if Scotland beat them to automatic qualification from Group C.

    If Wales fail to beat North Macedonia, it would require a win away at one of those nations to progress to a play-off final and keep their World Cup hopes alive.

    Who could Wales face if they beat North Macedonia?

    A win on Tuesday would likely leave Wales in pot two, with a home semi-final against a third seed.

    If that happens, potential opponents would include the Czech Republic, Albania, Kosovo and Bosnia-Herzegovina, although things could change.

    Even if Wales win that game, they may still have to beat a pot one side in the play-off final to reach next summer's finals.

    The only sides Wales would definitely avoid are teams also in pot two. Currently they are set to include Hungary, Slovakia and Scotland - although they could still qualify automatically.

    When will Wales know?

    With all group fixtures finishing on Tuesday, the seeds will be confirmed by world governing body Fifa on Wednesday prior to Thursday's draw for the play-offs. The draw will take place from midday in Zurich.

    Immediately afterwards, the draw for which of the winning sides will host the final will take place.

    The semi-finals are set to take place on Thursday, 26 March with the finals scheduled for Tuesday, 31 March.

    The four winners of those finals will take Europe's final four spots at the World Cup which is being held in Canada, Mexico and the United States.

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    Re: WALES v NORTH MACEDONIA. Match thread

    Match Officials:

    Referee: Danny Makkelie NED
    Assistant Referee 1: Hessel Steegstra NED
    Assistant Referee 2: Jan De Vries NED
    Fourth Official: Marc Nagtegaal NED
    Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel NED
    Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Richard Martens NED
    UEFA Referee Observer: Knut Kircher GER
    UEFA Delegate: Jirí Novák CZE

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    Re: WALES v NORTH MACEDONIA. Match thread

    another game on bbc with the sound off

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    Re: WALES v NORTH MACEDONIA. Match thread

    No more worrying about scoring X number of goals, or results in other groups affecting our seeding, or needing specific scores.

    Win and it’s a home game in the playoffs. Lose and it’s all over.

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    Re: WALES v NORTH MACEDONIA. Match thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    No more worrying about scoring X number of goals, or results in other groups affecting our seeding, or needing specific scores.

    Win and it’s a home game in the playoffs. Lose and it’s all over.
    I hope I am wrong, but the game has got 0-0 written all over it.

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    Re: WALES v NORTH MACEDONIA. Match thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I hope I am wrong, but the game has got 0-0 written all over it.

    Can’t see that myself, I stick my neck out and say I see 4 goals being scored on the night.

    I’ll leave you to make up the combinations

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    Re: WALES v NORTH MACEDONIA. Match thread

    The odds on this game are a bit surprising:

    7/10 - Wales
    12/5 - the draw
    4/1 - North Macedonia

    The bookies are more confident of a Welsh victory than most fans, it seems.

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    Re: WALES v NORTH MACEDONIA. Match thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    No more worrying about scoring X number of goals, or results in other groups affecting our seeding, or needing specific scores.

    Win and it’s a home game in the playoffs. Lose and it’s all over.
    So what about a final ? Where would that be - assuming we may win a home game in SF

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    Re: WALES v NORTH MACEDONIA. Match thread

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    The odds on this game are a bit surprising:

    7/10 - Wales
    12/5 - the draw
    4/1 - North Macedonia

    The bookies are more confident of a Welsh victory than most fans, it seems.
    Not sure its that surprising, fans tend to be pessimistic. From memory we were the better team out in Macedonia and Allen's cock up handed them a goal

    They've had some impressive results against Belgium but a quick look at the stats suggests they may have been lucky to get them (Belgium had 17 shots away and 25 at home)

    Hard to pitch the level of their squad as they're all over Europe but I'd say we have a stronger one, though significantly weakened by the loss of Ampadu & James

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    Re: WALES v NORTH MACEDONIA. Match thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Blue View Post
    So what about a final ? Where would that be - assuming we may win a home game in SF
    I think they draw that on Thursday

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    Re: WALES v NORTH MACEDONIA. Match thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post

    Win and it’s a home game in the playoffs. Lose and it’s an away game in the playoffs
    fixed it for you

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    Re: WALES v NORTH MACEDONIA. Match thread

    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    fixed it for you
    If we lose we finish 3rd, so I thought no playoffs? Unless I’m mistaken?

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    Re: WALES v NORTH MACEDONIA. Match thread

    Or are we in the playoffs because of that ****ing nations league malarkey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    Or are we in the playoffs because of that ****ing nations league malarkey?
    Yep! I think if we finish 2nd we get a home draw against a pot 3 team. If we finish 3rd it's an away draw against a pot 2 team, so it still really would be beneficial to finish 2nd

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    Re: WALES v NORTH MACEDONIA. Match thread

    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    Yep! I think if we finish 2nd we get a home draw against a pot 3 team. If we finish 3rd it's an away draw against a pot 2 team, so it still really would be beneficial to finish 2nd
    It’s a complicated thing this football stuff

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    Re: WALES v NORTH MACEDONIA. Match thread

    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    Yep! I think if we finish 2nd we get a home draw against a pot 3 team. If we finish 3rd it's an away draw against a pot 2 team, so it still really would be beneficial to finish 2nd
    If we finish third it's an away draw against a pot 1 team, Italy, Poland, Czechia or Scotland most likely (as Hungary missed out)

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    Re: WALES v NORTH MACEDONIA. Match thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    It’s a complicated thing this football stuff
    It's ridiculous, isn't it. All these endless permutations.

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    Re: WALES v NORTH MACEDONIA. Match thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five View Post
    It's ridiculous, isn't it. All these endless permutations.
    Football used to be fine until a new generation of jobsworths started playing around with the rules and tournament formats.

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    Re: WALES v NORTH MACEDONIA. Match thread

    I wonder if the rat is getting nervous now seeing as it’s such a big game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    I wonder if the rat is getting nervous now seeing as it’s such a big game?

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    Re: WALES v NORTH MACEDONIA. Match thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five View Post
    It's ridiculous, isn't it. All these endless permutations.
    More pots than Gardeners’ World.

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    Re: WALES v NORTH MACEDONIA. Match thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    No more worrying about scoring X number of goals, or results in other groups affecting our seeding, or needing specific scores.

    Win and it’s a home game in the playoffs. Lose and it’s all over.
    And guess what! I know exactly how this will go.








    An ass kicking at home.

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    Re: WALES v NORTH MACEDONIA. Match thread

    Strange, no Sorba Thomas playing

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    Sheehan-Cullen centre midfield pairing?

    Brennan up front?

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