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    I have just read the article on the BBC news site about Jason Bowen and his Motor Neurone Disease (MND) diagnosis and this feels very close to home.

    Jason Bowen describes the pain of telling his wife and three sons he has motor neurone disease.


    In early September I noticed a slight limp on my left leg. Prior to this I have been experiencing unusual muscle cramping, stiffness and twitching in both legs. Within a week I noticed that the movement in my toes in my left foot was severely reduced and my left ankle had lost 50% of its normal movement. I went to my GP who told me it was probably due to a spinal disc injury that I have had for 20 years. I was unconvinced because it did not follow the pattern of previous episodes of a flare up of this condition and I was not experiencing any sciatic pain in this leg, which I get very severely when I have a flare up. The GP also noted that I had lost muscle mass in my left calf, which has not occurred before.

    In December I had an MRI scan on my lower spine which showed some inflammation in one of my lower spinal discs. My GP referred me to an orthopaedic consultant for further investigation.

    Whilst waiting for this appointment my left leg has furthered deteriorated. I no longer have any motor control over my left foot and ankle, and my left knee started to have reduced motor control. I can no longer walk more than 50m without experiencing severe pain in both hips, and lower back due to my walking pattern. When I go to the shops I have to use a shopping trolley as a walking aid and I now use a walking stick. My balance is awful, if I stand up straight and close my eyes I start to wobble after 15 seconds and I would fall over if I continued. I have to hold on to a rail with both hands when going up steps. In the morning when I get up both legs feel very stiff and I have to walk (with difficulty) straight legged. I know my body and my legs feel almost alien to me at times.

    This week I had my orthopaedic appointment. My consultant reported that the swelling in my spinal disc was not as severe as seen on previous MRI scans and the loss of motor control in my left leg does not match the effects that spinal compression would have on this leg if was due to a disc prolapse in my lower spine. He has now referred me for an MRI on my upper spine to rule out issue there, but I have not had issues with my upper spine. If that is clear I will be referred to a neurologist. I mentioned my concerns about a possible neuro-degenderative condition (MND is one form) and he responded that I should consider that as a possibility.

    In 6 months I have gone from being able to cycle 40 miles a week to not being able to walk further than 100m very slowly. This occurred within 4 weeks of taking early retirement in September at the age of 58, which has really pissed me off. I don’t know why I'm writing this for total strangers, maybe I'm just getting it off my chest

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    Re: Jason Bowen MND diagnosis and me

    I am really sorry to hear about your sudden ill health.

    I have no practical advice or experience to offer, but I appreciate you sharing your troubles. This board is a community that has always been supportive when one of our own needs it, and hopefully there are others who will be able to respond in a more useful way.

    Stay strong. Hopefully you will get some better news soon.

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    • #3
      Re: Jason Bowen MND diagnosis and me

      Sometimes it’s good to get things off your chest mate
      By the sounds of things you’ve been struggling with back problems since your mid thirties which is debilitating enough without your new problems.
      I’m fifty four and the only advice I can give is be positive and live each day as if it’s your last with no regrets.
      Get some cannabis and bake a cake
      Do something impulsive
      Write a bucket list and stick to it
      The bottom line realistically we’ve got a good ten years left at our age
      Anything else is a bonus 🥳👍

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        Re: Jason Bowen MND diagnosis and me

        Easy for me to say because I know what I’d be like if it was happening to me, but your consultant only talked of the possibility of a neuro degenerative condition and the impression I’ve got through personal experience and from what friends and family have been told is that, unless a particular condition has been definitely excluded by the relevant test, the medical profession rule nothing out.

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        • #5
          Re: Jason Bowen MND diagnosis and me

          Originally posted by Sunnysideup View Post
          Sometimes it’s good to get things off your chest mate
          By the sounds of things you’ve been struggling with back problems since your mid thirties which is debilitating enough without your new problems.
          I’m fifty four and the only advice I can give is be positive and live each day as if it’s your last with no regrets.
          Get some cannabis and bake a cake
          Do something impulsive
          Write a bucket list and stick to it
          The bottom line realistically we’ve got a good ten years left at our age
          Anything else is a bonus 🥳👍
          You are correct, I have had spinal disc issues for 25 years due to my previous job as a paramedic. In 2008 (started 1 week after the FA Cup Final) I was off work for 11 months due to severe lower back and sciatic pain. That is why I did not think this issue was due to my spine as it is totally different to the issues I had in 2008.

          I have been taking cannabis since then as I found it was better than pain killers. I stopped smoking 6 years ago, so since then I take it using a dry herb vaporiser. I only take in the evening but it does help.

          I am trying to stay upbeat and I intend to make the best of my time if it is the worst case scenario. I am feeling OK most of the time but it has got to me sometimes when I lie awake in bed in the early hours, but every thing feels worse at that time of day.

          If it the worst case I am happy that I have left my wife in a good position. My mortgage has been paid off, I have put a large amount of money away and she will have access to my NHS and army pension.

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            Re: Jason Bowen MND diagnosis and me

            Enjoying a Sauna is absolutely amazing
            If you google the health benefits of a Sauna you’ll truly be amazed
            I converted my garden shed while the Mrs was in Spain for a week with the girls
            She got back and it was done lol
            Easy enough to do
            YouTube tutorials are a godsend
            My only mistake was I had to have a separate electric feed
            I wasn’t able to plug a 9kw electric heater into an existing spur
            All the bits you need -Hygrometer-sand timer - wooden door latch - wooden towel rack- wooden bucket and ladle as well as the heater can be found on Amazon -I laid
            Cotswold stone floor slabs and built my own split level benches
            I’m healthy but I do suffer with mental health issues after years of historical sexual abuse
            I needed something to focus on and this self build was it mate
            Didn’t cost a fortune and it’s surprising how many mates you get wanting a blast with a few ice cold beers
            I even had the old bill around lol but that was after a helicopter 🚁 had spotted the off the chart heatsource
            That’s another story tho 😆😂😂😂😂

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              Re: Jason Bowen MND diagnosis and me

              Originally posted by the other bob wilson View Post
              Easy for me to say because I know what I’d be like if it was happening to me, but your consultant only talked of the possibility of a neuro degenerative condition and the impression I’ve got through personal experience and from what friends and family have been told is that, unless a particular condition has been definitely excluded by the relevant test, the medical profession rule nothing out.
              As a paramedic I used to say that to my patients. In my case the loss of of motor control that I am experiencing can be caused by 2 types of situations.

              The first being a mechanical cause. For example severe nerve compression within the spine, lesions within the spinal cord or severing of the spinal cord. These issue has been ruled out in my lower spine. A further scan on my upper spine could reveal a cause, but if this was the case I would be experiencing other issues including issues of bowel or bladder control, which is not the case. During my examination with the consultant all my reflexes in my arms and legs were normal. These reflexes are circuits within the spinal cord, not the brain. If was a spinal issue the reflexes would be affected.

              The second cause would be due to issues affecting the generation or transmissions of signals within the brain. In the case of a neuro-degenerative disease the neurons in the motor control areas in the brain start to break down and the function of the area of the body that they control is permanently lost. The other cause of disruption to nerve impulse transmission in the brain would be due to a localised brain tumour. Either option is not good.

              A neuro-degenerative disease is only diagnosed after ruling out all other causes. My consultant informed me that if my second MRI is clear, he would immediately refer me for a priority consultation with a neurologist. That is was has scared me. I only hope that I am a victim of the old saying 'a little knowledge is dangerous'.

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              • #8
                Re: Jason Bowen MND diagnosis and me

                Originally posted by 79blue View Post
                I have just read the article on the BBC news site about Jason Bowen and his Motor Neurone Disease (MND) diagnosis and this feels very close to home.

                Jason Bowen describes the pain of telling his wife and three sons he has motor neurone disease.


                In early September I noticed a slight limp on my left leg. Prior to this I have been experiencing unusual muscle cramping, stiffness and twitching in both legs. Within a week I noticed that the movement in my toes in my left foot was severely reduced and my left ankle had lost 50% of its normal movement. I went to my GP who told me it was probably due to a spinal disc injury that I have had for 20 years. I was unconvinced because it did not follow the pattern of previous episodes of a flare up of this condition and I was not experiencing any sciatic pain in this leg, which I get very severely when I have a flare up. The GP also noted that I had lost muscle mass in my left calf, which has not occurred before.

                In December I had an MRI scan on my lower spine which showed some inflammation in one of my lower spinal discs. My GP referred me to an orthopaedic consultant for further investigation.

                Whilst waiting for this appointment my left leg has furthered deteriorated. I no longer have any motor control over my left foot and ankle, and my left knee started to have reduced motor control. I can no longer walk more than 50m without experiencing severe pain in both hips, and lower back due to my walking pattern. When I go to the shops I have to use a shopping trolley as a walking aid and I now use a walking stick. My balance is awful, if I stand up straight and close my eyes I start to wobble after 15 seconds and I would fall over if I continued. I have to hold on to a rail with both hands when going up steps. In the morning when I get up both legs feel very stiff and I have to walk (with difficulty) straight legged. I know my body and my legs feel almost alien to me at times.

                This week I had my orthopaedic appointment. My consultant reported that the swelling in my spinal disc was not as severe as seen on previous MRI scans and the loss of motor control in my left leg does not match the effects that spinal compression would have on this leg if was due to a disc prolapse in my lower spine. He has now referred me for an MRI on my upper spine to rule out issue there, but I have not had issues with my upper spine. If that is clear I will be referred to a neurologist. I mentioned my concerns about a possible neuro-degenderative condition (MND is one form) and he responded that I should consider that as a possibility.

                In 6 months I have gone from being able to cycle 40 miles a week to not being able to walk further than 100m very slowly. This occurred within 4 weeks of taking early retirement in September at the age of 58, which has really pissed me off. I don’t know why I'm writing this for total strangers, maybe I'm just getting it off my chest
                That's a very powerful post

                Take care

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                  Re: Jason Bowen MND diagnosis and me

                  Originally posted by Sunnysideup View Post
                  Enjoying a Sauna is absolutely amazing
                  If you google the health benefits of a Sauna you’ll truly be amazed
                  I converted my garden shed while the Mrs was in Spain for a week with the girls
                  She got back and it was done lol
                  Easy enough to do
                  YouTube tutorials are a godsend
                  My only mistake was I had to have a separate electric feed
                  I wasn’t able to plug a 9kw electric heater into an existing spur
                  All the bits you need -Hygrometer-sand timer - wooden door latch - wooden towel rack- wooden bucket and ladle as well as the heater can be found on Amazon -I laid
                  Cotswold stone floor slabs and built my own split level benches
                  I’m healthy but I do suffer with mental health issues after years of historical sexual abuse
                  I needed something to focus on and this self build was it mate
                  Didn’t cost a fortune and it’s surprising how many mates you get wanting a blast with a few ice cold beers
                  I even had the old bill around lol but that was after a helicopter 🚁 had spotted the off the chart heatsource
                  That’s another story tho 😆😂😂😂😂
                  Yep they are always flying around here looking for heatsources

                  I always thought baco foil was the business !

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                    Re: Jason Bowen MND diagnosis and me

                    Surely out in Cowbridge any helicopters would be from Everest?

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                      Re: Jason Bowen MND diagnosis and me

                      Sorry to hear that 79blue, I've seen friends and family members health deteriorate quickly and it is very scary.. it's really difficult and scary not knowing exactly what's wrong and then when you do, it's the difficult period of getting the medication etc right... But am crossing everything for you that a proper diagnosis will result in the right medication and other support you need.

                      We can all be wankers on this board at times but the truth is, it's been a community for a long time and actually members have been through a lot together. Using the messageboard to express concerns or vent or get things off your chest, is fine.


                      Thinking of you and you're family.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Jason Bowen MND diagnosis and me

                        Very best of luck 79blue. May you and anyone else on this board with a debilitating condition attain a health improvement as soon as possible.

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                          Re: Jason Bowen MND diagnosis and me

                          Very sad to read about your situation 79blue, I hope it turns out to be something treatable and nothing too severe.

                          Saw Jason Bowen being interviewed on BBC Wales this afternoon, and it's gutting to see.
                          He spoke about his diagnosis and the effects this condition has had on him etc.

                          Heartbreaking to see. Bowen was a good player and a player I liked a lot, always gave his all and was always committed to the cause.
                          I was always happy to see him in a City shirt, you always knew he'd pop up with a goal or assist through his efforts.
                          To see him with tears in his eyes and explaining what his family is going through etc was hard to watch for obvious reasons

                          I hope your problem isn't MND mate, my thoughts are with you.

                          We all take it for granted when we're 17, feel like Superman.
                          If I could go around again, that's one thing I'd make sure of, to never take any of it for granted and appreciate it all more fully, while we have it all.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Jason Bowen MND diagnosis and me

                            I started this thread at the start of March concerned that I had Motor Neurone Disease (MND). Since then I had MRI scans on my upper spinal cord and brain, which occurred on Good Friday. In the Last 10 weeks I have from walking unaided (with difficulty) to walking with the aid of a walking frame and I had to have a chair lift fitted in my home.

                            On Monday I had the results of the scans from my doctor and they were clear. The doctor expressed his concerns about MND and arranged for me to see a specialist today. Today I finally got to see a neurologist and after a long consultation he has confirmed the diagnosis. I discovered that he is the lead neurologist for MND in south Wales.

                            It was not the result I wanted but at least I have a diagnosis and certainty about where this is leading.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Jason Bowen MND diagnosis and me

                              Originally posted by 79blue View Post
                              I started this thread at the start of March concerned that I had Motor Neurone Disease (MND). Since then I had MRI scans on my upper spinal cord and brain, which occurred on Good Friday. In the Last 10 weeks I have from walking unaided (with difficulty) to walking with the aid of a walking frame and I had to have a chair lift fitted in my home.

                              On Monday I had the results of the scans from my doctor and they were clear. The doctor expressed his concerns about MND and arranged for me to see a specialist today. Today I finally got to see a neurologist and after a long consultation he has confirmed the diagnosis. I discovered that he is the lead neurologist for MND in south Wales.

                              It was not the result I wanted but at least I have a diagnosis and certainty about where this is leading.
                              My heart goes out to you 79blue and I feel annoyed by the realisation that there’s nothing I, or anyone else on here, can say to ease what you must be going through today.

                              Try and stay strong my friend.

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