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    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    The virus acts and behaves in a way that had never been seen before. It wasnt the standard H1N1 plus slight variation. It behaved very very differently, according to various programs Something we have never seen before... so - yes it was probably was from a lab. China will never admit it, it will be impossible to conclusively prove and we cant exactly take them to court over it
    If it’s from a lab , rest assured they would know a cure beforehand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    If it’s from a lab , rest assured they would know a cure beforehand.
    Why do you think that they would know a cure for it beforehand?

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    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...an-market-data

    Newly released genetic data gathered from a live food market in Wuhan has linked Covid-19 with raccoon dogs, adding weight to the theory that infected animals sold at the site started the coronavirus pandemic, researchers involved in the work say.

    Who'd have thunk it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...an-market-data

    Newly released genetic data gathered from a live food market in Wuhan has linked Covid-19 with raccoon dogs, adding weight to the theory that infected animals sold at the site started the coronavirus pandemic, researchers involved in the work say.

    Who'd have thunk it!
    Not this bloke..

    For a week, major media have been hyping the "stongest evidence yet" on COVID origins

    Preprint appeared tonight...and turns out to be a risibly thin, nearly content-free, non-story written by stooges who falsely claimed "incontrovertible evidence" last year

    https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/stat...00168963551232

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOZZER2 View Post
    This guy doesn't come across as a credible witness looking at his track record, and this is contrary to what any of the US agencies are saying

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    I think the big lesson from all this is that people should be allowed to question the benefit of masks, vaccines, origin of the virus, lockdowns etc without being dismissed or condemned.

    It's still the case that the country that had no real lockdowns had a far better death rate than many who didn't, and it does seem that the virus could have leaked from a lab and that masks did very little. I have no issue with the vaccine, but I can understand why some would.

    Covid has ruined so much for me. I think questioning much of what we went along with is really important. Indeed, almost our job as citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    I think the big lesson from all this is that people should be allowed to question the benefit of masks, vaccines, origin of the virus, lockdowns etc without being dismissed or condemned.

    It's still the case that the country that had no real lockdowns had a far better death rate than many who didn't, and it does seem that the virus could have leaked from a lab and that masks did very little. I have no issue with the vaccine, but I can understand why some would.

    Covid has ruined so much for me. I think questioning much of what we went along with is really important. Indeed, almost our job as citizens.
    Which country was that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Which country was that?
    Sweden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Sweden.
    What this Sweden?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-...emic_in_Sweden

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    I stopped reading at "This article's factual accuracy may be compromised due to out-of-date information. (December 2020)".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I stopped reading at "This article's factual accuracy may be compromised due to out-of-date information. (December 2020)".
    Gosh, and there was I thinking I was in your ignore club.

    So the details about Sweden having a far higher death rate than comparative Nordic countries before they introduced similar restrictions as their neighbours before vaccines came into effect removing their necessity were incorrect then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Sweden.
    Sweden had 24k Covid deaths with a population of 10m.
    Norway had 5k Covid deaths with a population of 5m.
    Finland had 9k Covid deaths with a population of 5m.

    The most comparable countries to Sweden in terms of wealth, populations, climate, social and cultural norms, etc, had notably lower death rates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    Sweden had 24k Covid deaths with a population of 10m.
    Norway had 5k Covid deaths with a population of 5m.
    Finland had 9k Covid deaths with a population of 5m.

    The most comparable countries to Sweden in terms of wealth, populations, climate, social and cultural norms, etc, had notably lower death rates.
    This thread explains it

    https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/st...LhmySD2aRt-GNg

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    That thread explains nothing. It states that Sweden, for some reason had a far greater outbreak in 2020 than their Nordic neighbours who imposed lockdowns in 2020 when Sweden decided not to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    Some people are desperate for the Hunter laptop to be fake, others want the Sweden data to be false. I guess some people are too invested in their arguments, and they can't admit to being wrong. Russia collusion anybody?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    That thread explains nothing. It states that Sweden, for some reason had a far greater outbreak in 2020 than their Nordic neighbours who imposed lockdowns in 2020 when Sweden decided not to.
    Somehow, I didn’t for one second think you would agree with anything that’s against the narrative, that being said it’s clear that the long term effects of lockdown on the healthy population is nothing more than disastrous both in terms of the economy and social / personal development,especially in young children.

    I appreciate you are more than likely in the over 60 vulnerable group so you will naturally think differently.

    Perhaps this one will help

    https://twitter.com/chgefaell/status...LhmySD2aRt-GNg

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    Somehow, I didn’t for one second think you would agree with anything that’s against the narrative, that being said it’s clear that the long term effects of lockdown on the healthy population is nothing more than disastrous both in terms of the economy and social / personal development,especially in young children.

    I appreciate you are more than likely in the over 60 vulnerable group so you will naturally think differently.

    Perhaps this one will help

    https://twitter.com/chgefaell/status...LhmySD2aRt-GNg
    Nothing to do with narrative. The tweet you posted gave a distorted explanation for the same thing. More Swedes per capita died in the time before lockdowns were imposed there then vaccines were introduced than in comparable countries.

    I don't understand what the second tweet is meant to show? There are a couple of lines on graphs stating covid deaths and excess deaths for a nine month period. Can you explain what it is proving?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Nothing to do with narrative. The tweet you posted gave a distorted explanation for the same thing. More Swedes per capita died in the time before lockdowns were imposed there then vaccines were introduced than in comparable countries.

    I don't understand what the second tweet is meant to show? There are a couple of lines on graphs stating covid deaths and excess deaths for a nine month period. Can you explain what it is proving?
    Apparently Sweden also had a significant amount of deaths in care homes which may have not actually had anything to do with Covid ( but that’s another debate ) Many people died “with Covid” which would have inflated the figures.

    What about this one https://reason.com/volokh/2023/01/10...covid-arrived/

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    Apparently Sweden also had a significant amount of deaths in care homes which may have not actually had anything to do with Covid ( but that’s another debate ) Many people died “with Covid” which would have inflated the figures.

    What about this one https://reason.com/volokh/2023/01/10...covid-arrived/
    Yes I have read the post Covid reports on Sweden. I guess no-one will ever know what death statistics would have looked like if they hadn't locked down before vaccines were made available to save many more lives.

    I still don't get the previous tweet though so happy for you to explain how it fits in the conversation.

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    I work for a Swedish company, and know many Swedes.

    most I've spoken to wish that had locked down sooner than they eventually did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    This Sweden
    Sweden's no-lockdown COVID strategy was broadly correct, commission suggests
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sweden...irus-1.6364154

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    I work for a Swedish company, and know many Swedes.

    most I've spoken to wish that had locked down sooner than they eventually did.
    Why? I know lot's of jab-shy people, and they are all still here wandering around as though nothing happened, except for the odd cough and runny nose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Why? I know lot's of jab-shy people, and they are all still here wandering around as though nothing happened, except for the odd cough and runny nose.
    The lockdown and vaccine are different things though aren't they. I have different opinions on them. Lockdown did huge and long lasting damage to society IMO. The Vaccine, whilst I suspect there wasn't enough research on it did get us out of that hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    The lockdown and vaccine are different things though aren't they. I have different opinions on them. Lockdown did huge and long lasting damage to society IMO. The Vaccine, whilst I suspect there wasn't enough research on it did get us out of that hell.
    I'm only going on empirical evidence here, but I failed to see any devastation amongst the jab-shy that I was expecting to see.

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