Just chatting to a Huddersfield fan

[North Cardiff Blue]

Warnock was appointed as Huddersfield manager on 13/02/2023. The two teams' records since then are as follows:

Huddersfield

P 12, W 4, D 4, L 4, GF 14, GA 19, Pts 16

Cardiff City

P 11, W 5, D 1, L 5, GF 15, GA 15, Pts 16

Very similar records in terms of points, but City have played less games, won one more, scored more goals and conceded fewer.

The perception that Huddersfield had much harder fixtures left is interesting considering how poor the quality of the Championship is this season. The top two are a distance clear and both sides' results against those teams are telling - Huddersfield were smashed 4-0 at Burnley, City were thumped 4-1 at Sheffield United.

There is no doubt that Huddersfield's 4-2 victory over Middlesbrough was a very creditable result as Boro were flying at the time. But, apart from that, their results have been standard Championship fare against a bunch of sides who are obviously far from great.

They were battered 4-0 at home by Coventry - a side City drew 0-0 with in December. They drew 0-0 with Bristol City - a side City had beaten 2-0 a few days earlier. They lost 1-0 at West Brom - a side City drew 1-1 with in March. They drew 1-1 with Blackburn - a side that has lost the same number of games as Rotherham this season. They won 3-2 at Watford - City won 3-1 at Watford last night. Etc, etc.

If you remove the top four, who are clearly a good bit better than the rest, there is just six points between Millwall in 5th and Swansea in 13th. I don't believe a decent result against any one of those sides is any more creditable than a result against any of the others. They are all much of a muchness.

After 46 games last season, the most any of the top six had lost was 13. Millwall and Watford have already lost 14, Norwich and Preston have lost 15, and Blackburn and Swansea have lost 16. These are not great sides in a poor division. Beating any of them is no big deal.

OK good analysis, they've done a fairly similar job, and both have improved the teams and I think both will avoid relegation.

[The Lone Gunman]

OK good analysis, they've done a fairly similar job, and both have improved the teams and I think both will avoid relegation.

Last season, Huddersfield finished 3rd in the Championship. Twelve players started 20 or more league games for them in 2021/22. Eight of those players are still there, and yet they've spent most of the 2022/23 season in the relegation zone. I guess that shows how fine the margins are in the Championship these days.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Last season, Huddersfield finished 3rd in the Championship. Twelve players started 20 or more league games for them in 2021/22. Eight of those players are still there, and yet they've spent most of the 2022/23 season in the relegation zone. I guess that shows how fine the margins are in the Championship these days.

That's unbelievable really, how can that happen?

It does seem like almost every game is unpredictable these days.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Your pre game comments look particularly silly now but you still cant bring yourself to give the team or manager some praise.

I am chuffed to bits we won

I don't care about anything but ccfc winning

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

What about all the other teams he has taken up or saved from relegation. They don't count I suppose ?

Make your mind up whose side you are on you daft tory

[Eric the Half a Bee]

That's unbelievable really, how can that happen?

It does seem like almost every game is unpredictable these days.

I was quite amazed at the stat that TLG posted, so I thought I'd see if I could put some skin on those bones.

The 4 regular starters that Huddersfield had last season are as follows:

Harry Toffolo and Lewis O'Brien, both signed by Nottingham Forest in the PL; Daniel Sinani, who was on loan from Norwich; Levi Samuels Colwill, who was on loan from Chelsea and is now on loan at Brighton. Sinani wasn't particularly prolific in front of goal, but notched up 6. The other 3 are playing at a higher level which might indicate they've been missed. They're missing their main left back, centre back and centre midfielder from last season. Between those 4 they had an average age of 23 last season.

Of the 8 players that remain, Sorba Thomas apart, the others can be loosely classed as football league journeymen. For some, playing in the Championship with Huddersfield is as good as it has got. The 8 that remained had an average age of 29 last season. 3 of them are in their 30s.

The new players with 20 or more starts are: Michael Helik, relegated a year ago with Barnsley; David Kasamu, signed from MK Dons after failing to make the grade there as a youngster; Jack Rudoni, signed from AFC Wimbledon again after struggling to make the grade in League 1; and Josh Ruffles, who spent a decade in League 1.

Basically, they're an ageing side who replaced players who went off to do better things with League 1 players.

[WJ99mobile]

I was quite amazed at the stat that TLG posted, so I thought I'd see if I could put some skin on those bones.

The 4 regular starters that Huddersfield had last season are as follows:

Harry Toffolo and Lewis O'Brien, both signed by Nottingham Forest in the PL; Daniel Sinani, who was on loan from Norwich; Levi Samuels Colwill, who was on loan from Chelsea and is now on loan at Brighton. Sinani wasn't particularly prolific in front of goal, but notched up 6. The other 3 are playing at a higher level which might indicate they've been missed. They're missing their main left back, centre back and centre midfielder from last season. Between those 4 they had an average age of 23 last season.

Of the 8 players that remain, Sorba Thomas apart, the others can be loosely classed as football league journeymen. For some, playing in the Championship with Huddersfield is as good as it has got. The 8 that remained had an average age of 29 last season. 3 of them are in their 30s.

The new players with 20 or more starts are: Michael Helik, relegated a year ago with Barnsley; David Kasamu, signed from MK Dons after failing to make the grade there as a youngster; Jack Rudoni, signed from AFC Wimbledon again after struggling to make the grade in League 1; and Josh Ruffles, who spent a decade in League 1.

Basically, they're an ageing side who replaced players who went off to do better things with League 1 players.

Sounds alot like the sustainable strategy many fans are calling for.

Ditch overpriced for lower league 'gems'

Risky strategy

[Rjk]

Sounds alot like the sustainable strategy many fans are calling for.

Ditch overpriced for lower league 'gems'

Risky strategy

overpriced older players is a no less risky strategy

[TWGL1]

Warnock was appointed as Huddersfield manager on 13/02/2023. The two teams' records since then are as follows:

Huddersfield

P 12, W 4, D 4, L 4, GF 14, GA 19, Pts 16

Cardiff City

P 11, W 5, D 1, L 5, GF 15, GA 15, Pts 16

Very similar records in terms of points, but City have played less games, won one more, scored more goals and conceded fewer.

The perception that Huddersfield had much harder fixtures left is interesting considering how poor the quality of the Championship is this season. The top two are a distance clear and both sides' results against those teams are telling - Huddersfield were smashed 4-0 at Burnley, City were thumped 4-1 at Sheffield United.

There is no doubt that Huddersfield's 4-2 victory over Middlesbrough was a very creditable result as Boro were flying at the time. But, apart from that, their results have been standard Championship fare against a bunch of sides who are obviously far from great.

They were battered 4-0 at home by Coventry - a side City drew 0-0 with in December. They drew 0-0 with Bristol City - a side City had beaten 2-0 a few days earlier. They lost 1-0 at West Brom - a side City drew 1-1 with in March. They drew 1-1 with Blackburn - a side that has lost the same number of games as Rotherham this season. They won 3-2 at Watford - City won 3-1 at Watford last night. Etc, etc.

If you remove the top four, who are clearly a good bit better than the rest, there is just six points between Millwall in 5th and Swansea in 13th. I don't believe a decent result against any one of those sides is any more creditable than a result against any of the others. They are all much of a muchness.

After 46 games last season, the most any of the top six had lost was 13. Millwall and Watford have already lost 14, Norwich and Preston have lost 15, and Blackburn and Swansea have lost 16. These are not great sides in a poor division. Beating any of them is no big deal.

Very good post, cheers

[J R Hartley]

Warnock was appointed as Huddersfield manager on 13/02/2023. The two teams' records since then are as follows:

Huddersfield

P 12, W 4, D 4, L 4, GF 14, GA 19, Pts 16

Cardiff City

P 11, W 5, D 1, L 5, GF 15, GA 15, Pts 16

Very similar records in terms of points, but City have played less games, won one more, scored more goals and conceded fewer.

The perception that Huddersfield had much harder fixtures left is interesting considering how poor the quality of the Championship is this season. The top two are a distance clear and both sides' results against those teams are telling - Huddersfield were smashed 4-0 at Burnley, City were thumped 4-1 at Sheffield United.

There is no doubt that Huddersfield's 4-2 victory over Middlesbrough was a very creditable result as Boro were flying at the time. But, apart from that, their results have been standard Championship fare against a bunch of sides who are obviously far from great.

They were battered 4-0 at home by Coventry - a side City drew 0-0 with in December. They drew 0-0 with Bristol City - a side City had beaten 2-0 a few days earlier. They lost 1-0 at West Brom - a side City drew 1-1 with in March. They drew 1-1 with Blackburn - a side that has lost the same number of games as Rotherham this season. They won 3-2 at Watford - City won 3-1 at Watford last night. Etc, etc.

If you remove the top four, who are clearly a good bit better than the rest, there is just six points between Millwall in 5th and Swansea in 13th. I don't believe a decent result against any one of those sides is any more creditable than a result against any of the others. They are all much of a muchness.

After 46 games last season, the most any of the top six had lost was 13. Millwall and Watford have already lost 14, Norwich and Preston have lost 15, and Blackburn and Swansea have lost 16. These are not great sides in a poor division. Beating any of them is no big deal.

Somebody call 999 and report the massacre of a man in North Cardiff.

[Father Dougal]

Sorting out my Internet , he was based in Leeds but from Brighouse near Huddersfield

Says he is certain they will stay up and warnock has made them difficult to beat

Says its route one but said if it's that or league one it's a no brainer

It's clear that tan was never going to give warnock the gig but those who think he wouldn't have got us the points needed are churlish and in complete denial

That's a hell of an insight he has given you there fair play. What a scoop.

[Alan Lung]

Somebody call 999 and report the massacre of a man in North Cardiff.

Massacres tend to involve more than just the one person.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

That's a hell of an insight he has given you there fair play. What a scoop.

Considering he was just sending me a new router it certainly was

[TWGL1]

Considering he was just sending me a new router it certainly was

I hope you don’t work for brigade 77 as a side hustle……

[J R Hartley]

Massacres tend to involve more than just the one person.

It can also mean very bad defeat smart arse

[North Cardiff Blue]

Massacres tend to involve more than just the one person.

Just when he thought he'd posted something funny

[North Cardiff Blue]

It can also mean very bad defeat smart arse

What defeat?

I had said Warnock had done a good job and he has, I also said Sabri has done a good job, the post confirms they are similar.

As for not playing harder games, I went along with the narrative, I disagree but not enough to spend ten mins on here arguing about it.

[North Cardiff Blue]

I've got ten mins spare today!

He's clearly had harder games!

Warnocks last 12
Burnley 1st
Middlesborough 4th
Millwall 5th
Blackburn 6th
West Brom 7th
Coventry 8th
Sunderland 9th
Norwich 10th
Watford 13th
Bristol14th
Swansea13th
Birmingham 15th

Cardiffs
Sheff U 2nd
Boro 3rd
WBA 7th
Sunderland 9th
Norwich 10th
Preston 11th
Watford 12th
Swansea 13th
Bristol 14th
Birmingham 15th
Reading 22nd
Blackpool 23rd

Plus Lamouchi lost his first three which weren't included.

[J R Hartley]

I've got ten mins spare today!

He's clearly had harder games!

Warnocks last 12
Burnley 1st
Middlesborough 4th
Millwall 5th
Blackburn 6th
West Brom 7th
Coventry 8th
Sunderland 9th
Norwich 10th
Watford 13th
Bristol14th
Swansea13th
Birmingham 15th

Cardiffs
Sheff U 2nd
Boro 3rd
WBA 7th
Sunderland 9th
Norwich 10th
Preston 11th
Watford 12th
Swansea 13th
Bristol 14th
Birmingham 15th
Reading 22nd
Blackpool 23rd

Plus Lamouchi lost his first three which weren't included.

Just take the L ffs

By the time the season finishes each manager would have played 19 or 20 of the other 23 teams in the division. Neither has harder games its all much of a muchness.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Just take the L ffs

By the time the season finishes each manager would have played 19 or 20 of the other 23 teams in the division. Neither has harder games its all much of a muchness.

Of course, over a season any idiot knows that we were talking about a twelve-game batch to compare Managers, you and everyone can see Warnock has had a difficult set of fixtures, more difficult than Sabri's.

[J R Hartley]

Of course, over a season any idiot knows that we were talking about a twelve-game batch to compare Managers, you and everyone can see Warnock has had a difficult set of fixtures, more difficult than Sabri's.

But you werent talking about a 12 game "batch" when you come out with your opening gambit on the subject claiming they had "much harder fixtures left".

Which is simply not true. When Lamouchi took over he had all of top half still to pay except Blakcburn and Coventry, with the top 3 being away from home.

Quite how you come up with the statement that he Warnock had MUCH harder fixtures left I dont know.

[ToTaL ITK]

Not bad. 5 pages on what an Internet installations bloke has to say about worncock and city. Well done

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Not bad. 5 pages on what an Internet installations bloke has to say about worncock and city. Well done

Don't mention it

[Incy Wincy Spider]

I can just see our Neil invoking the spirit of Mark Lillis (Lillis 4, Town 4 Cardiff 0) and Frank Worthington. I think he also managed the Terriers when they transitioned from their old Leeds Rd fortress to the John Smith’s Stadium?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I can just see our Neil invoking the spirit of Mark Lillis (Lillis 4, Town 4 Cardiff 0) and Frank Worthington. I think he also managed the Terriers when they transitioned from their old Leeds Rd fortress to the John Smith’s Stadium?

Leeds Road was a fine old ground

Bigger club than Leeds before revie came along