40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

[jon1959]

Well we know Christians are not safe to practice their alleged blind faith freely in many muslim countries, their persecution is quite troubling , “the inconvenient. truth” is that the overwhelming majority – up to 80% or some 245 million – of persecuted religious believers around the world today are Christians. His report went on to suggest that the situation is “arguably coming close to meeting the international definition of genocide”....

No marches for them though .. its not cause that gets folk going or use as a political tool to hijack it for political gain and reaction.

So you finally care about the Christian churches blown up by the Israelis in Gaza. The marches are for the victims there too.

[truthpaste]

We are talking about theology, if you hadn't noticed
As for the lack of consequences, that's absolute baloney. Japan is less religious than most of Europe but has a lower crime rate.
And most atheists and agnostics don't go around murdering people as they fear no deity. You really have to up your intellectual game, old fruit.

We are all ultimately talking theology (or making some sort of attempt), so leave the departure into religion well alone, because you are only confusing yourself.

You also said - "In the absence of evidence, folklore is down to interpretation..."

People who have honestly looked at the evidence and like yourself didn't want it to prove to be true - (Josh McDowell - "Evidence that demands a verdict" / The Case for Christ - Lee Strobel (also a book) - have found something very different.

So what sets your research apart and what is the best evidence you have that the Bible is insignificant re the plight of your soul?

[Taunton Blue Genie]

We are all ultimately talking theology (or making some sort of attempt), so leave the departure into religion well alone, because you are only confusing yourself.

You also said - "In the absence of evidence, folklore is down to interpretation..."

People who have honestly looked at the evidence and like yourself didn't want it to prove to be true - (Josh McDowell - "Evidence that demands a verdict" / The Case for Christ - Lee Strobel (also a book) - have found something very different.

So what sets your research apart and what is the best evidence you have that the Bible is insignificant re the plight of your soul?

Is The Bible significant regarding the souls of Jews, Moslems, Buddhists, Sikhs, Shintoists and any life form that may exist in the Universe and light years away? And as for disproving that primitive tosh, I can't disprove the existence of fairies or pixies.
Your arguments are unbelievably weak and to be frank, quite laughable.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

I'm off out now to murder a few people and cheat some pensioners out of their savings.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

We are all ultimately talking theology (or making some sort of attempt), so leave the departure into religion well alone, because you are only confusing yourself.

You also said - "In the absence of evidence, folklore is down to interpretation..."

People who have honestly looked at the evidence and like yourself didn't want it to prove to be true - (Josh McDowell - "Evidence that demands a verdict" / The Case for Christ - Lee Strobel (also a book) - have found something very different.

So what sets your research apart and what is the best evidence you have that the Bible is insignificant re the plight of your soul?

Is there a god ?

Please show us proof

No references to he said this , he said that blah blah blah

Not interested

Evidence please

Until then shove it

[truthpaste]

I'm off out now to murder a few people and cheat some pensioners out of their savings.

If you are not afraid at arriving at a reasonable conclusion then could we have a respectful conversation.
If you like the Sludge only wish to throw rotten fruit and not engage in an adult discussion then just say so.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

If you are not afraid at arriving at a reasonable conclusion then could we have a respectful conversation.
If you like the Sludge only wish to throw rotten fruit and not engage in an adult discussion then just say so.

You Christians and other faiths can answer a simple question ......is there a god , an afterlife etc ? ......by providing EVIDENCE

It's quite simple

I BELIEVE Cardiff City are the greatest team in the history of football in the world !

But EVIDENCE that we can test proves we are a mid table championship team and therefore not even the best team in the UK, never mind the world

If you can't provide any evidence then can you understand why people treat you with such ridicule and cannot have an adult conversation ?

If I am told its raining it can be proved by stepping outside and getting wet

That's evidence

So let's have it

I mean he's very powerful isn't he ? Surely he can prove to us all he exists ?

[truthpaste]

You Christians and other faiths can answer a simple question ......is there a god , an afterlife etc ? ......by providing EVIDENCE

It's quite simple

I BELIEVE Cardiff City are the greatest team in the history of football in the world !

But EVIDENCE that we can test proves we are a mid table championship team and therefore not even the best team in the UK, never mind the world

If you can't provide any evidence then can you understand why people treat you with such ridicule and cannot have an adult conversation ?

If I am told its raining it can be proved by stepping outside and getting wet

That's evidence

So let's have it

I mean he's very powerful isn't he ? Surely he can prove to us all he exists ?

As we are fans, then we can sing that we are the greatest team the world has ever seen.
We say that with a twinkle in our eyes but keep repeating the excercise decade after decade.
Why? Because it's what we desire to be true, even though deep down we know it's a 1 in 100 shot in our lifetime.

I'm not saying the Bible IS God's Word in the hopeful way that I desire CCFC to dwarf Real Madrid, I'm saying it after over 40 years of research and testing; some of that testing coming from hundreds of skeptics like yourself asking their silver bullet questions; none of which have ever come close to challenging the Word of God. A book that remains the 'best seller" year on year.

You see, you, me and Blue Genie all have a *world view (origin, purpose & destiny), so let's see how they do after being tested by the facts. If either of you have a better world view that can provide more reasonable answers, then we can all can dismiss the Bible, yet if you can't, you'll need to re-evaluate your position.

[jon1959]

The organiser of the sole Armistice Day event at the Cenotaph in central London has said he hopes the pro-Palestine march in central London on Saturday will go ahead.

Richard Hughes, from the Western Front Association, the charity that holds a commemoration of the fallen of the first world war on 11 November, said his organisation believed in “freedom of speech”.

“I think a lot of people are trying to whip this up,” said Hughes, the association’s legal trustee, who is also responsible for organising the annual commemoration. “The police are not going to let anyone near the Cenotaph. We are a democratic organisation that commemorates those who fought for democracy so free speech is important.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...t-can-go-ahead

[truthpaste]

The organiser of the sole Armistice Day event at the Cenotaph in central London has said he hopes the pro-Palestine march in central London on Saturday will go ahead.

Richard Hughes, from the Western Front Association, the charity that holds a commemoration of the fallen of the first world war on 11 November, said his organisation believed in “freedom of speech”.

“I think a lot of people are trying to whip this up,” said Hughes, the association’s legal trustee, who is also responsible for organising the annual commemoration. “The police are not going to let anyone near the Cenotaph. We are a democratic organisation that commemorates those who fought for democracy so free speech is important.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...t-can-go-ahead

It's a tragedy that these people voted Hamas in as their 'democracy' January 2006.
Bringing in any group who's key aim is the extermination of Israel is hardly a recipe for a peaceful environment.

[truthpaste]

The organiser of the sole Armistice Day event at the Cenotaph in central London has said he hopes the pro-Palestine march in central London on Saturday will go ahead.

Richard Hughes, from the Western Front Association, the charity that holds a commemoration of the fallen of the first world war on 11 November, said his organisation believed in “freedom of speech”.

“I think a lot of people are trying to whip this up,” said Hughes, the association’s legal trustee, who is also responsible for organising the annual commemoration. “The police are not going to let anyone near the Cenotaph. We are a democratic organisation that commemorates those who fought for democracy so free speech is important.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...t-can-go-ahead

It's a tragedy that these people voted Hamas in as their 'democracy' January 2006.
Bringing in any group who's key aim is the extermination of Israel is hardly a recipe for a peaceful environment.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

As we are fans, then we can sing that we are the greatest team the world has ever seen.
We say that with a twinkle in our eyes but keep repeating the excercise decade after decade.
Why? Because it's what we desire to be true, even though deep down we know it's a 1 in 100 shot in our lifetime.

I'm not saying the Bible IS God's Word in the hopeful way that I desire CCFC to dwarf Real Madrid, I'm saying it after over 40 years of research and testing; some of that testing coming from hundreds of skeptics like yourself asking their silver bullet questions; none of which have ever come close to challenging the Word of God. A book that remains the 'best seller" year on year.

You see, you, me and Blue Genie all have a *world view (origin, purpose & destiny), so let's see how they do after being tested by the facts. If either of you have a better world view that can provide more reasonable answers, then we can all can dismiss the Bible, yet if you can't, you'll need to re-evaluate your position.

You have failed at the first fence again

Evidence please

I am not putting up fishing or drugs or heavy metal music as the saviour of humanity or saying they are a rival to God

I just want proof that he fecking exists so I can decide wether or not he's worth following or supporting

I can't stand Swansea City and I would never support or follow them

But I know they exist and I can make that valued judgement based on facts

I can't do that about God

And I think the reason why Dawkins and us lot get so frustrated with Christians is that you say we shouldn't ridicule you but when asked to give us something to chew on all you can give us is a book that wasn't even written by this superhuman being and lots of stories none of which are solid , hard evidence

Now if Christians say God gives them comfort that's up to them but that's not the same as asking someone to follow them supporting and devoting a life to something that appears not to exist

You lot have had plenty of opportunities to prove all this and you cannot

Faith is no good to me

[Eric Cartman]

It's a tragedy that these people voted Hamas in as their 'democracy' January 2006.
Bringing in any group who's key aim is the extermination of Israel is hardly a recipe for a peaceful environment.

'these people'?

I don't think the majority of people in Gaza today were alive in 2006.

[truthpaste]

'these people'?

I don't think the majority of people in Gaza today were alive in 2006.

The majority are all 17 years old or younger?
Not from the images coming from Gaza on a daily basis?

[jon1959]

It's a tragedy that these people voted Hamas in as their 'democracy' January 2006.
Bringing in any group who's key aim is the extermination of Israel is hardly a recipe for a peaceful environment.

That wasn't worth posting twice.

Although I suppose it is progress that you pinpoint 2006 as the key date in Israel/Palestine history - not 7 October 2023. I wouldn't pick on Palestinians in the Gaza strip exercising their democratic right to vote as the main tragedy of the conflict. There are many better candidates. Maybe a state founded on mass murder and ethnic cleansing? Maybe Israel promoting Hamas in its early life as a way of undermining Fatah/the PLO? Maybe the flawed compromise of the Oslo Accords being destroyed by Likud and others over 30 years as the illegal settlements spread, daily persecution and humiliations in the West Bank deepened, settler murders backed by the IDF escalated, imprisonment without trial became more common, and the possibility of a 'two state solution' was destroyed? Maybe the denunciation (and banning) of every non-violent form of Palestinian resistance as anti-semitism? Maybe the establishment of Gaza as a massive concentration camp punctuated by regular wars of murder and destruction ('mowing the grass' in the words of an IDF general)? And then there are Hamas/IJ atrocities.

But none of that - or your comment - is relevant to what I posted. You avoided that.

[truthpaste]

You say: And I think the reason why (1) Dawkins and us lot get so frustrated with Christians is that you say we shouldn't (2) ridicule you but when asked to give us something to chew on all you can give us is a book that wasn't even written by this (3) superhuman being and lots of stories none of which are (4) solid , hard evidence

1. Dawkins being your answer to the origin of all life?
2. When have I complained about people with no solid world view ridiculing those who do?
3. What has led you to that conclusion re the ultimate author?
4. What solid evidence re the history of the Bible would satisfy you?

[jon1959]

The majority are all 17 years old or younger?
Not from the images coming from Gaza on a daily basis?

Almost half the population of Gaza are under 18 according to the UN - or in other words 17 years old or younger.

Maybe you are looking at the wrong images. There are also 4000+ fewer children than a month ago!

[Taunton Blue Genie]

If you are not afraid at arriving at a reasonable conclusion then could we have a respectful conversation.
If you like the Sludge only wish to throw rotten fruit and not engage in an adult discussion then just say so.

Afraid at arriving at a reasonable conclusion? Another laughable comment from someone who believes in a talking snake and thinks that those who don't believe in the Bible are incapable of having a moral compass. I'll engage when you raise your game intellectually.

[life on mars]

The organiser of the sole Armistice Day event at the Cenotaph in central London has said he hopes the pro-Palestine march in central London on Saturday will go ahead.

Richard Hughes, from the Western Front Association, the charity that holds a commemoration of the fallen of the first world war on 11 November, said his organisation believed in “freedom of speech”.

“I think a lot of people are trying to whip this up,” said Hughes, the association’s legal trustee, who is also responsible for organising the annual commemoration. “The police are not going to let anyone near the Cenotaph. We are a democratic organisation that commemorates those who fought for democracy so free speech is important.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...t-can-go-ahead

From The Spectator for balance and a view I support ;
these are ‘hate marches’. Or at least that they have provided cover for hate. Every demo so far has involved nasty flashes of the world’s oldest hatred. Attendees have cursed the Jews, celebrated anti-Jewish massacres and damned Zionists as Nazis.

‘Those people are a tiny minority’, march organisers might say. Stop it. If every march you hold awakens anti-Semites from their slumber, teases them on to the streets to make their vile cries, then you need to stop and rethink. It is morally unsustainable for the organisers breezily to wash their hands of the hate that lurks in sections of the crowd.

And yet here’s the thing. If we are serious about freedom of speech, we must defend it even for unpleasant speech. Even wicked speech. The man who gives the nod to the censure of his foes ‘establishes a precedent that will reach to himself’, said Paine. We fortify our own liberty by defending the liberty of our opponents.

I have no wish to downplay how threatening the marches feel for Jews. Indeed, everything you need to know about these weekly gatherings is that the anti-Semites of Hezbollah are happy about them while our very own Jewish citizens have said they found them distressing. So here’s my proposal: we don’t ask the state to ban Saturday’s march, but we do ask the organisers to call it off. We do not further empower the authorities to police public expression, but we do implore the marchers to stay home. Do the right thing: refuse to attend this gathering that will bring joy to Hamas and only further agony to British Jews.

Having seen videos taking on Hamas phones of women with breaststroke cut off , a pregnant woman with womb cut open , peaceful living Jews massacred in cold blood it is appalling anyway could march in this environment.

Hamas murder thier own.

[truthpaste]

Almost half the population of Gaza are under 18 according to the UN - or in other words 17 years old or younger.

Maybe you are looking at the wrong images. There are also 4000+ fewer children than a month ago!

Even if we take the UN statement as accurate, it doesn't make your claim accurate.
In truth, ALMOST half the population are under 18.
Therefore the majority are adults.

[truthpaste]

Afraid at arriving at a reasonable conclusion? Another laughable comment from someone who believes in a talking snake and thinks that those who don't believe in the Bible are incapable of having a moral compass. I'll engage when you raise your game intellectually.

An intellect is able to engage in a mature fashion, this appears to be beyond your capabilities.

[jon1959]

WOL - Of course you support that opinion.

You have no concern for the 10,000 civilians - overwhelmingly women and children - who have been crushed, dismembered and burned to death in the last few weeks by the IDF.

People the marchers are standing with.

Instead you deflect, slander, and wallow in your sick prejudices. Suella Braverman's happy clapper!

You might do better to deal with your own hate.

[jon1959]

Even if we take the UN statement as accurate, it doesn't make your claim accurate.
In truth, ALMOST half the population are under 18.
Therefore the majority are adults.

Wow.

That is your take away is it?

Children are just under half the population of Gaza, not just over?

Thanks for clarifying that. You must be very pleased with yourself!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

LoM

You are a bare faced liar

All this crap about you being a socialist and left wing when you were younger and you quote The Spectator ?

You may as well quote Joseph Mengele

[pipster]

I hate to make predictions - but I think there will be war memorials attacked this weekend by the usual hate mob, and that may be the result certain sections are looking for.