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Life On Mars and Truthpaste in complete agreement? What an alt right match made in fantasy 'heaven'!
It's so easy to throw the baby out with the bath water just because you may generally hold different views to people.Originally Posted by jon1959
We all need to realise that everyone - even those that may hate us for what we stand for - can have certain views that we agree with; and when we do we should say so.
The reason why parts of Asia, Africa, Australia, New Zealand and whole swathes of Latin America are raving mad Christians.......is obviousThere's no shortage of evidence for anyone who takes the trouble to look.
Even the BBC don't deny the history of Christ and His extraordinary influence on the people of that generation and beyond.
Australia, NZ, Africa, South & North America and Asia are not Western Europe, but there are billions of people who currently serve Christ as Lord and God across those areas of the World.
Your choice of remaining in denial is a common one in the UK, but please don't suggest that because it's the choice of the majority, it's a choice that can be defended or debated successfully!
If it could then people like you and the Genie wouldn't be left with empty insults to aim at Christians or cartoon images of an old man with a grey beard
Us whites went over there , raped and pillaged and gave out loads of bibles to vulnerable people and set up churches
It's called colonialism
I mean do you think these people chose all this daft nonsense?
The brainwashing of the poor and weak is how religion thrives
The lost tribes of the amazon have survived precisely because they have been kept away from all the god nonsense
So in other words another right wing Christian
Blimey what a surprise
Remaining in denial or as most sane people would call it .....living in realityThere's no shortage of evidence for anyone who takes the trouble to look.
Even the BBC don't deny the history of Christ and His extraordinary influence on the people of that generation and beyond.
Australia, NZ, Africa, South & North America and Asia are not Western Europe, but there are billions of people who currently serve Christ as Lord and God across those areas of the World.
Your choice of remaining in denial is a common one in the UK, but please don't suggest that because it's the choice of the majority, it's a choice that can be defended or debated successfully!
If it could then people like you and the Genie wouldn't be left with empty insults to aim at Christians or cartoon images of an old man with a grey beard
Being ruled in thought and deed by a dusty old book is on the wane
Christianity , Islam , Pentecostal Sheffield Wednesday ......its all utter nonsense
And whilst land grab is the main reason for the troubles in the middle east its your lots god or version of God or Allah that's a very close number two
When I pass a church on a Sunday morning or see Muslims outside a mosque or Jewish people going to the synagogue I don't abuse them or hurl insults
But I think what an utter comedy this all is and to see kids being dragged along ?
It's all a cult of stupidity and they are all arguing like ferrets in a sack all these years later
Absolute cobblers the lot of it
Sludge / Truthpaste,
Why do you waste time trying to change each other’s position on faith? I assume you are both aware of cognitive dissonance and confirmation basis? Wasting your time.
Finish the job even at the expense of hundreds if not thousands of more palestinian civilians? Really?
Your swift baseless argument assumes that all such individuals are uneducated and incapable of understanding the alternative position of being an agnostic or an atheist.
That assumption ignores people like John Lennox (seen earlier on this thread) who regularly makes mincemeat out of Richard Dawkins, Peter Atkins, Christopher Hitchens and many other leading agnostics.
Lennox uses science to prove the redundancy of any position that doesn't acknowledge an Almighty God.
You are a complete dinosaur 🦕
Ask God about them
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Ehud Barak: "Israel built the bunkers under al-Shifa hospital".
Thanks for your comment Stevo.
History confirms that even the most rabid of skeptics and/or anti-Christian individuals can occasionally see the light of the Gospel and their lives have been dramatically transformed, and this always based on irrefutable evidence.
The apostle Paul (who originally arranged the death of any Christian he could hunt down), all the way up to recent examples such as Josh McDowell and "Evidence that demands a verdict", and Lee Strobel and the book/ movie "The Case for Christ" which is set in Chicago 40 years ago.
Actually, you might be right. I was brought up as a Christian and took my faith very seriously. And then I saw the light.
What you mean by 'Christianity' I can only imagine, so many use that label. I brought a Christadelphian back from Bristol airport last week, a very interesting experience, and he was very committed to the cause, but it was not NT Christianity.
If you wish to discuss your 'light' experience here or in PM then be my guest, but if you really want to avoid the Biblical definition of following Christ then I'll expect the usual hi and goodbye
You are doing it again ....telling us the story of some bloke called Paul who hanged around with Jesus, 3000 years ago
You have no idea of who he was , if he was a nice bloke and ultimately if he even existed
Scientists don't rely on stories from 3000 years ago, which may or may not be factual to prove the existence of something
Your evidence simply doesn't exist
When someone says to me ....oh yes but Paul or Jesus or God etc said in The Bible that .........I know its going to be a waste of my time
Isaac Asimov has written books far more thought provoking and inspirational than the holy book but even he admits its all fantasy
Rabid non believers ?
That's ironic given religious people through the centuries have killed millions based on the interpretation of a dusty old book and wether THEIR god is the true one and right path
Religious people are the personification of rabid zealots
In my case, Catholic. But this is irrelevant. It doesn't matter what faith you have - the impact that it has on you is no different to that on any other person with faith of any religion. And that's where you take a step back and ask 'why is that?' Why are we as a human race so susceptible to believe there has to be some higher being? And why would he/she/they want us to believe in them purely based on faith?What you mean by 'Christianity' I can only imagine, so many use that label. I brought a Christadelphian back from Bristol airport last week, a very interesting experience, and he was very committed to the cause, but it was not NT Christianity.
If you wish to discuss your 'light' experience here or in PM then be my guest, but if you really want to avoid the Biblical definition of following Christ then I'll expect the usual hi and goodbye
And on Christianity alone - why all the different denominations? Why can't they agree on everything? They're not doing themselves any favours by having wildly different beliefs. Some of course go as far as believing the Earth is only 4000 years old, there was no such thing as dinosaurs (those fossils? oh the devil put them there - lol) and the whole Adam and Eve thing is true, and the story of Noah's Ark. You get the picture.
My move away from Christianity was not an overnight thing btw. It was gradual over many years - gradually more agnostic until atheism shown through. It was like still holding out on the possibility that the moon might be made of cheese because I had no proof that it wasn't.
The reason why humans , in some cases , believe in a higher being is because they are scared of death and nothingness and want to believe there is indeed life after death
I understand that fear and why some humans cling to the idea of God, Christ , Allah , Valhalla , Nirvana etc
But it's absolutely without proof of existence as is the existence of God
Ok, why discuss one issue when we could do over ten at the same time! But seriously, thanks for raising points that most readers currently have bubbling under their hats.
Given that Hamas and Israel have different ideas on a greater being, I'm happy to discuss that question here, and I'm also happy to address your other points as a separate discussion as they are all really important questions and deserve a reasonable answer
Why are we as a human race so susceptible to believe there has to be some higher being?
Why don't we explore the alternative, that there is no God, no Creator, nobody *we are accountable to, and that this life right now is all that's on the menu.
*I would at this stage highlight that this is the key motivation for such a notion as revealed by everyone who has gone from one of the two types of agnosticism to theism.
So as your premise is the idea that:-
1. There is a lack of evidence to allow anyone coming to know God personally.
2. That the evidence clearly points to the absence of an Almighty being.
Let's look at your world view to examine the evidence?
My questions to you:-
A. What verified evidence you have found means that people who trust the Bible are "so susceptible"?
B. What key evidence gives you certainty that you are now in the right camp?
4 day cease fire ?
Well hopefully it happens but how long before Israel goes in again
Israel would still be getting on with everyday life and no where near Gaza if it wasn't for the evil plot that was hatched by their government. Some perspective would occasionally be helpful.
You know I dont have any evidence in the same that I know you dont have any evidence to support your beliefs. Thats why these conversations are pointless.
So you left your faith because you lacked the access to the evidence that would allow you to defend it.
It's easier to assume it doesn't exist and run with the masses.
I used to work with a RC and for years we regularly discussed the issues you've raised and his position on the big questions was as fragile as every other RC I have met, so I know exactly the hand you are playing with.
Some perspective would be helpful - true.
If it wasn't for the 7 October attacks hundreds of Israeli civilians who lived on south Israeli kibbutz or were at the music festival would be getting on with their everyday lives - not kidnapped or murdered.
And the IDF and illegal settler gangs would still be murdering, intimidating and stealing land from West Bank Palestinians. And the Gaza strip would still be under a siege that started 16 years ago. And over 13000 Gaza residents would still be alive and not burned, crushed or dismembered by Israeli guns and rockets - aimed at hospitals, churches, mosques, UN compounds and residential blocks in a new round of collective punishment and ethnic cleansing that many/most observers think meets the definition of genocide.
Perspective - yes.
It is like a conversation with people talking different languages, not just holding different belief systems. There is virtually no point of contact to take it forward. Circular logic and some niche expression of faith posing as proof doesn't go anywhere.
As long as it's is just about what goes on in someone's head, I don't care. But - going back to the thread - when a 'literal' Biblical fundamentalist starts waving the Old Testament around as justification for genocide in Israel/Palestine (God's will and promises to the 'chosen people') I care a lot.
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