Has 20mph made our roads safer?

[Rjk]

Definitely not and I'm not just taking a side, it's utter nonsense how anyone can defend it is beyond me.

As it was 20 near schools double parked cars etc, not every road going.

it isn't every road going, and it never has been

[Rjk]

So, lets get it down to 10mph .
By your logic that has to be safer and better than 20mph?

no that's not my logic at all.

cities all over the world have made similar changes to speed limits in residential areas because it saves lives and has very little impact on most people.
the vast majority of people hardly drive on residential streets, maybe a short amount at either end of a journey. Changing this to 20 has a very small overall impact for the benefit it causes.

a change to 10mph is of course a much more drastic change and would be very noticeable, of course I wouldn't be for that

[North Cardiff Blue]

it isn't every road going, and it never has been

Yes it is blanket 30mph all changed to 20mph.

Talk of changing some back before the election but no action in NC.

[Rjk]

Yes it is blanket 30mph all changed to 20mph.

Talk of changing some back before the election but no action in NC.

I drive on several roads that are 30mph every day

[poc]

Yes it is blanket 30mph all changed to 20mph.

Talk of changing some back before the election but no action in NC.

no its not

[Dembe]

no that's not my logic at all.

cities all over the world have made similar changes to speed limits in residential areas because it saves lives and has very little impact on most people.
the vast majority of people hardly drive on residential streets, maybe a short amount at either end of a journey. Changing this to 20 has a very small overall impact for the benefit it causes.

a change to 10mph is of course a much more drastic change and would be very noticeable, of course I wouldn't be for that

I was driving through Tylorstown to Maerdy a few weeks ago, it was 20mph with cameras. If it has since changed then fair enough, but I imagine that has an impact on people. I remember working in Dinas Rhondda last year and before the speed change there was little traffic coming towards Pontypridd, the same week the changes happened they were backing up past the heritage hotel. That is an impact in my eyes, luckily like Eric mentions they've seen sense and changed it to 30 through Hopkinstown, but if its still 20 further up then I imagine its still having an impact on people at peak times.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I was driving through Tylorstown to Maerdy a few weeks ago, it was 20mph with cameras. If it has since changed then fair enough, but I imagine that has an impact on people. I remember working in Dinas Rhondda last year and before the speed change there was little traffic coming towards Pontypridd, the same week the changes happened they were backing up past the heritage hotel. That is an impact in my eyes, luckily like Eric mentions they've seen sense and changed it to 30 through Hopkinstown, but if its still 20 further up then I imagine its still having an impact on people at peak times.

That road between Porth and Ponty can get very busy at peak times and can be very quiet at times as well.

The question has to be that, if there are roads where reverting back to 30mph has been done as traffic flow is more important that road safety, then how can anyone argue that road safety is the biggest priority, as in some places, this obviously cannot be the case.

[North Cardiff Blue]

no its not

Where has been changed in Lisvane, Thornhill, Whitchurch and Rhiwbina?

[Dembe]

That road between Porth and Ponty can get very busy at peak times and can be very quiet at times as well.

The question has to be that, if there are roads where reverting back to 30mph has been done as traffic flow is more important that road safety, then how can anyone argue that road safety is the biggest priority, as in some places, this obviously cannot be the case.

Yes, walk along there regularly enough, when I do drive though even just to lidl or even to grab fuel in Asda garage it is miserable on the way back as its one lane through town now with the work to the new bus stop opposite the station so it backs all the way up through Hopkinstown even 11am in the morning.

If it is still 20 between Tylorstown and Maerdy you can see why people would be annoyed as thats their only route down.

[Hilts]

I was driving through Tylorstown to Maerdy a few weeks ago, it was 20mph with cameras. If it has since changed then fair enough, but I imagine that has an impact on people. I remember working in Dinas Rhondda last year and before the speed change there was little traffic coming towards Pontypridd, the same week the changes happened they were backing up past the heritage hotel. That is an impact in my eyes, luckily like Eric mentions they've seen sense and changed it to 30 through Hopkinstown, but if its still 20 further up then I imagine its still having an impact on people at peak times.

The road is 20mph Tylorstown to Maerdy. There are schools in the vicinity and cars parked on one side a lot of the way. Also driving through Ferndale High Street would be a no no at 30.

I drive that road regularly and don't have any issue with it being 20mph. With buses slow moving vehicles it's probably nomore than a minute or 2 added to that journey.

I fairly certain the main Hopkinstown Rd has always been 30 and rightly so.

[TWGL1]

This policy is slowing Wales down and is forecast to hit the Welsh economy by up to £9billion

https://www.gbnews.com/lifestyle/car...ed-limit-wales

[Dembe]

The road is 20mph Tylorstown to Maerdy. There are schools in the vicinity and cars parked on one side a lot of the way. Also driving through Ferndale High Street would be a no no at 30.

I drive that road regularly and don't have any issue with it being 20mph. With buses slow moving vehicles it's probably nomore than a minute or 2 added to that journey.

I fairly certain the main Hopkinstown Rd has always been 30 and rightly so.

There are plenty of roads similar to that one where previously they were 30, driving with common sense used to be a thing, you can do 30 in parts on that road easy, I am not sure why cars parked on one side of the road make it a 20 tbh, I went through there at 20 as thats the limit but honestly see no harm in allowing the limit to remain at 30 like it was for years.

20 past schools, absolutely.

My point about time was these limits will have a knock on effect, takes you longer to get to Ponty from the valleys, so you're later getting on to the a470, later getting onto the m4, later getting on to the m5 etc. The point rjk made was it had no impact, I was just showing how it possibly could have for some.

[Jimmy the Jock]

The road is 20mph Tylorstown to Maerdy. There are schools in the vicinity and cars parked on one side a lot of the way. Also driving through Ferndale High Street would be a no no at 30.

I drive that road regularly and don't have any issue with it being 20mph. With buses slow moving vehicles it's probably nomore than a minute or 2 added to that journey.

I fairly certain the main Hopkinstown Rd has always been 30 and rightly so.

If you can get over 20mph on this road even if the speed limit was 70 mph I take my hat off to you . Its nip n tuck in and out of the traffic . Only a lunatic would try to get any speed up on this road .

[Jimmy the Jock]

no that's not my logic at all.

cities all over the world have made similar changes to speed limits in residential areas because it saves lives and has very little impact on most people.
the vast majority of people hardly drive on residential streets, maybe a short amount at either end of a journey. Changing this to 20 has a very small overall impact for the benefit it causes.

a change to 10mph is of course a much more drastic change and would be very noticeable, of course I wouldn't be for that

I have already said I can see the point round schools and built up areas where you have a lot of pedestrians.
Here are my questions

8 deaths are down to 7 . Fair enough , how many were the deaths by drink drivers with no regard for the speed limit.
You could make the speed limit 2mph , once you have that 6th pint ....who cares ?
How many were youngsters racing through a built up area , once again no regard for speed limits .
To make a fair and balanced review you need the facts.

If you could prove to me the deaths were solely because the speed limit I would review my opinion.
I wonder how many people have been run over on Ocean Way in the last 15 years ?

[Michael Morris]

One road that annoys me is the A4119 through Groes Faen. Camera's at either end of the village with a 20mph speed limit. Always a ballsache to drive through.

In fact the rest of the A4119 towards Cardiff is a mess. Variable speed limits (I've mentioned this before) ranging from 20 through Groes Faen to 30, 40 and 60 in different places but so many cars drive at 20 - 30 all the way along. So frustrating.

[The Bloop]

One road that annoys me is the A4119 through Groes Faen. Camera's at either end of the village with a 20mph speed limit. Always a ballsache to drive through.

In fact the rest of the A4119 towards Cardiff is a mess. Variable speed limits (I've mentioned this before) ranging from 20 through Groes Faen to 30, 40 and 60 in different places but so many cars drive at 20 - 30 all the way along. So frustrating.

If you're behind the same vehicle all the way it doesn't really make much difference to your arrival time. There's so many junctions or roundabouts these days there's little chance of maintaining the same speed for any decent length of time.
Not like years ago when the only interruption was at Groesfaen.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

If you're behind the same vehicle all the way it doesn't really make much difference to your arrival time. There's so many junctions or roundabouts these days there's little chance of maintaining the same speed for any decent length of time.
Not like years ago when the only interruption was at Groesfaen.

Depends on where you are, though. That isn't the case everywhere by a long chalk.

[PontBlue]

One road that annoys me is the A4119 through Groes Faen. Camera's at either end of the village with a 20mph speed limit. Always a ballsache to drive through.

In fact the rest of the A4119 towards Cardiff is a mess. Variable speed limits (I've mentioned this before) ranging from 20 through Groes Faen to 30, 40 and 60 in different places but so many cars drive at 20 - 30 all the way along. So frustrating.

The speed limit isn't the issue, it's so many people who are poor drivers.

Many drivers on the A470 get on my nerves. The speed limit is 50 then 70 then back to 50 and so many plod along at 50 through all three sections often in the overtaking lane not overtaking anything

[PontBlue]

Has anyone changed their minds on this subject, now it’s been in for nine months?

I haven't changed my mind but I do think it's been badly implemented in some places.

Maerdy to Tylorstown had been mentioned. There are parts of that stretch that should return to 30 and elements that should stay at 20.

[Dembe]

I don't think its consistent.

I was in west Wales last night, drove through Felinfoel and there are some 20 roads and some 30 but they all look the same with residential areas, maybe I missed a school, but there were multiple 20 roads that were identical to others that were 30.