The bookies have us finishing 20th ?

[NinianKnight]

In a word, no.

Fair enough just saved me £10

[City123]

Latest Cardiff City odds from SkyBet after the first four games of the league campaign:

200/1 to win the Championship

200/1 to be promoted automatically

80/1 to win the play-offs

50/1 to be promoted by any method

18/1 to finish in the top six

4/1 to finish in the top half

5/1 to finish above Bristol City, Plymouth and Swansea

13/8 to finish above Swansea

9/4 to be relegated to League One

Lump on!

[Eric the Half a Bee]

In the handicap system on Sky bet they have Cardiff to win the league at 18/1 with + 31 handicap so that means if we get around 60 points again we’ll be in to the 90 point mark - that’s got to be worth a few pounds

Over the last 30 seasons in the second tier the average number of points won by the champions has been 94. 7 times out of 30 has the champions won fewer than 90 points. Since we won the Championship with 87 points (only West Brom won the league with fewer since 1996/97) only two sides have won fewer than 93 points and 3 of the last 4 champions have amassed 97 points or more.

I suspect the bookies are looking again at the Championship champions running away with the division. If the winners get 97 points again, we'd need 67. They obviously don't think there's much chance of that happening.

[Hilts]

I'm suprised we are 9/4. I think that's a good bet.

[Father Dougal]

Wonder where they have us finishing now?

[alan_corneli]

I was going to resurrect this thread too.

[Hilts]

We are now 15/8.

3rd favs for the drop.

[J R Hartley]

Where is NCB these days?

Had he deserted Bulut already? Spineless shithouse.

[Tuerto]

Where is NCB these days?

Had he deserted Bulut already? Spineless shithouse.

And Mozzer who was telling us all that we just didn't get what Bulut was trying to do, way too complex for us minions...

[J R Hartley]

And Mozzer who was telling us all that we just didn't get what Bulut was trying to do, way too complex for us minions...

To be fair to Mozzer he was sort of correct when he said we would see the type of football these shores haven’t seen before.

[Tuerto]

To be fair to Mozzer he was sort of correct when he said we would see the type of football these shores haven’t seen before.

[Father Dougal]

Chambers could potentially be one of the very best defenders in the division, but he's played very little football in recent seasons.

El Ghazi should be a class act at this level if he can recapture his form and fitness, but he hasn't started a game in over a year and his career seems to have been in decline for a few seasons.

Willock should be more than decent at this level, but he also needs to recapture the form he was showing at QPR a few years ago for that to be the case.

Kanga could be anything.

In my opinion, these signings are among the most interesting the club has made in some time, but there are obviously significant question marks against all of them.

Indeed

[The Lone Gunman]

Latest Cardiff City odds from SkyBet after five games of the league campaign:

750/1 to win the Championship

500/1 to be promoted automatically

100/1 to win the play-offs

80/1 to be promoted by any method

22/1 to finish in the top six

9/2 to finish in the top half

11/2 to finish above Bristol City, Plymouth and Swansea

2/1 to finish above Swansea

15/8 to be relegated to League One

[The Lone Gunman]

And Mozzer who was telling us all that we just didn't get what Bulut was trying to do, way too complex for us minions...

He was saying that with his coaching hat on, allegedly. Futsal and all that. We would never understand.

Mozzer has been very quiet so far this season. Hope he's OK and is just keeping a low profile as he's realised he's backed the wrong horse.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

He was saying that with his coaching hat on, allegedly. Futsal and all that. We would never understand.

Mozzer has been very quiet so far this season. Hope he's OK and is just keeping a low profile as he's realised he's backed the wrong horse.

Yes, it would be a shame for anyone to avoid the board because they got an opinion wrong. I get plenty wrong but I still keep popping up.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Fair enough that makes sense, I think we will finish in the top half because we did last season, and I think we will have better players this season, but it's still early and hard to predict until this window closes, loans will probably be key to our season.

The important loan market has let us down I think, where was a decent Striker and where was the Philogene or Wilson to open teams up, the two most important positions are Striker and Keeper. The keepers are below the top half Championship and the Strikers are struggling, Davies and Etete may have made a difference but I doubt it.

The bookies were right, so far!

[North Cardiff Blue]

Where is NCB these days?

Had he deserted Bulut already? Spineless shithouse.

Been away Butt!

But I saw the game, unfortunately!

Nice of you to sign your name at the end

[Eric the Half a Bee]

The important loan market has let us down I think, where was a decent Striker and where was the Philogene or Wilson to open teams up, the two most important positions are Striker and Keeper. The keepers are below the top half Championship and the Strikers are struggling, Davies and Etete may have made a difference but I doubt it.

The bookies were right, so far!

I don't share that opinion.

Our biggest problem for several years has been centre midfield. That helps protect the back 4 and provides support for the front line. I'm of the opinion we could have a top Championship striker and goalkeeper and we'd still be struggling.

[North Cardiff Blue]

I don't share that opinion.

Our biggest problem for several years has been centre midfield. That helps protect the back 4 and provides support for the front line. I'm of the opinion we could have a top Championship striker and goalkeeper and we'd still be struggling.

Fair enough they are not working well as a team but we have a few decent midfielders, we haven't seen the best of them, and we lack pace but Robertson, Colwill, Ramsey, Ralls, Siopis, Turbull, Rhinomhota, are not our weakest area IMO.

I think a decent Manager could quickly sort them out, and tighten up at the back and we could improve rapidly, Alnwick is not too bad either really.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

I don't share that opinion.

Our biggest problem for several years has been centre midfield. That helps protect the back 4 and provides support for the front line. I'm of the opinion we could have a top Championship striker and goalkeeper and we'd still be struggling.

When was the last time the post match conversation was about 'missed chances' ?? 4, 5 seasons ago ??

[City123]

Fair enough they are not working well as a team but we have a few decent midfielders, we haven't seen the best of them, and we lack pace but Robertson, Colwill, Ramsey, Ralls, Siopis, Turbull, Rhinomhota, are not our weakest area IMO.

I think a decent Manager could quickly sort them out, and tighten up at the back and we could improve rapidly, Alnwick is not too bad either really.

There's a lack of balance in the midfield selection from the manager and a severe lack of athleticism that leaves us exposed. Which is mad considering a lot of them are pretty limited technically

[Eric the Half a Bee]

When was the last time the post match conversation was about 'missed chances' ?? 4, 5 seasons ago ??

Probably. It seems like it. Generally when we've won games last season we've found a way of converting the few chances we've had. I think we created the fewest chances from open play last season.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Probably. It seems like it. Generally when we've won games last season we've found a way of converting the few chances we've had. I think we created the fewest chances from open play last season.

What happened to the deadball goals, the free kicks and corners have been terrible and caused opposition teams no trouble compared we have some better players, what the hell has gone wrong, I think he must have lost the dressing room I can't see any fight, and players like NG are nowhere near their previous standards.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

What happened to the deadball goals, the free kicks and corners have been terrible and caused opposition teams no trouble compared we have some better players, what the hell has gone wrong, I think he must have lost the dressing room I can't see any fight, and players like NG are nowhere near their previous standards.

We were scoring an extraordinary amount of set piece goals per set pieces taken. It was at a level that was never likely to be sustained throughout the season. Opponents started to wise up to what we were doing. Often, our set piece goals weren't delivery ----> finish, but delivery ----> win second ball ----> get to loose ball in the box and score.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

There's a lack of balance in the midfield selection from the manager and a severe lack of athleticism that leaves us exposed. Which is mad considering a lot of them are pretty limited technically

Rinomhota was surplus to requirements 9 months ago (and rightly so, cos he’s crap) and now is back in the fold after an 11/10 transfer window.

FWIW I would snap your hands off for 20th